Compass question

[hou757]

How/what is life like for a newhire at Compass? Reserve, schedule, etc..

Thanks!

 

[Abernathy]

Compass is hiring?

 

[johnsonrod]

Best part about working at Compass: you get a good shot at working for a major down the line if you have the experience and you are so inclined. Wish I had that deal...

 

[brokeflyer]

crappy pay? if so then dont take it....you're only hurting EVERYONE else if you do.

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

How/what is life like for a newhire at Compass? Reserve, schedule, etc..

Thanks!

The same as it is where you are now at XJT.

 

[AF01]

The same as it is where you are now at XJT.

huummm.. no! i worked for both, XJT's contract is better

 

[BlueRidger]

I have been at Compass 2 years. DTW based. Generally, it is not to bad. Pay and work rules are all "industry standard". Things will be interesting with the flow ups. We will lose about 83 pilots to Delta this hiring round and more if Delta hires more. Good airplanes, generally good routes. Schedules all over the map due to PBS. Reserve rules are not very good. We will be doing lots of flying out of MSP and ORD in the near future plus DTW and ATL. Basically flying Mainline A/C to Mainline stations at crap wages. Hope this helps.

Make sure you have all ATP mins to apply.

 

[hou757]

What are the downsides of the reserve rules?

 

[Stranger]

I have been at Compass 2 years. DTW based. Generally, it is not to bad. Pay and work rules are all "industry standard". Things will be interesting with the flow ups. We will lose about 83 pilots to Delta this hiring round and more if Delta hires more. Good airplanes, generally good routes. Schedules all over the map due to PBS. Reserve rules are not very good. We will be doing lots of flying out of MSP and ORD in the near future plus DTW and ATL. Basically flying Mainline A/C to Mainline stations at crap wages. Hope this helps.

Make sure you have all ATP mins to apply.

Any chance at an ATL base in the future?

 

[DrewBlows]

What are the downsides of the reserve rules?

11 days off per month
At least one block of four days off per month
No fewer than two days off between reserve blocks
Reserve blocks between three and six days
Reserve leveling system: one day trip goes to low time pilot with one day of Reserve left, two day trip goes to low time pilot with two days of reserve left, etc.
AM ready reserve goes to low time one day pilot, PM ready reserve goes to low time two day pilot
Open time is available to line holders until 12:00C the day prior to the assignment
Reserve assignments are made the day prior to your duty. Scheduling calls you sometime the day before your first day of reserve with your assignment for the next day (supposed to be before noon, but that hasn't been happening)
The reserve list is available online so you can track who's getting called and see who is available...keeps scheduling honest (we have a few 'creative' schedulers)

 

[hou757]

They have both short call and long call reserve? How does airport standby work?

 

[GOULET!]

No long and short...just short. It's a 2 hour call out unless you are on Airport Ready Reserve. That is a 15 minute to the gate call and you are on call for 8 hours.

 

[Superpilot92]

They're potentially about to lose up to 25% of they're pilot group every year as hiring starts at DAL. You wont see that kinda movement at any other regional these days. Also the majority of their FO's are qualified to apply to other better jobs as they become available thus increasing the possible attrition numbers.

time will tell

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Basically flying Mainline A/C to Mainline stations at crap wages. Hope this helps.

Make sure you have all ATP mins to apply.

Why do you consider it a mainline aircraft? Seriously? What makes it better than any other RJ? It's still an RJ.

 

[DrewBlows]

Why do you consider it a mainline aircraft? Seriously? What makes it better than any other RJ? It's still an RJ.

What difference does it make? The only thing that makes one airplane "better" than another, in my opinion, is pay. Given that definition, many Citations are "better" airplanes than CRJs, ERJs, E170s, or even B737s.

Regional Jet is a marketing term. In the true sense of the term, there really aren't "Regional Airlines" anymore, just Contract Carriers. At Compass I've seen both oceans, Mexico, and parts of Canada in the winter that I'm not still not comfortable discussing. Many other "regional" pilots can say the same thing. What "region" is that? North America?

Trying to define the distinction between "regional" and "mainline" aircraft is pointless. There are aircraft that are flown by brand name companies and there are aircraft that are flown (for less) at contract carriers. It's quite simple and not worth getting wrapped around the axle about.

 

[Jar Jar]

what are the odds of compass losing the flow thru?

 

[GOULET!]

Virtually zero. Anything is possible but it makes perfect business sense for them to keep it. The revolt that would occur at Compass if it was cancelled would be huge. 95% of the people who are there, came there for the chance to flow someday.

 

[Abernathy]

What makes it better than any other RJ? It's still an RJ.

From a PAX standpoint? Big difference. From the pilot standpoint, you're right. It's the money and scheds.

 

[Jar Jar]

you guys still make $24 first year pay or has it increased since posted on apc?

24/34 as an FO for a 90 seater isnt much.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Payscale effective 6/1/10

FO Step 1. 24.24, Step 2. 35.22, Step 3. 37.47

 

[lowlycfi]

you guys still make $24 first year pay or has it increased since posted on apc?

24/34 as an FO for a 90 seater isnt much.

Are you talking about Compass? There aren't any 90 seat airplanes at Compass. But i will give you that 24 or 34 isn't much to be flying passengers around in any 121 operation no matter what size the airplane.

 

[Dr King]

They're potentially about to lose up to 25% of they're pilot group every year as hiring starts at DAL. You wont see that kinda movement at any other regional these days. Also the majority of their FO's are qualified to apply to other better jobs as they become available thus increasing the possible attrition numbers.

time will tell

I thought I remember reading somwhere that you had to be a compass for atleast three years before you can flow up to Delta. Does anyone know if that is true?

 

[lowlycfi]

I thought I remember reading somwhere that you had to be a compass for atleast three years before you can flow up to Delta. Does anyone know if that is true?

You have to have been on payroll for 30 months and be a captain to flow.

 

[N813CA]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

 

[lookin4better]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

100% truth.... those that think Delta Air Lines is excited about the flow.... just wait until the first "backpacker" bro shows up..... they are already having the lawyers look into ways to stop it.

 

[Moustache]

Sounds like a lot of you hope the flow through fails, status quo for FI......someone gets good news at their airline and the teeth come out from everyone else....

 

[G2T]

100% truth.... those that think Delta Air Lines is excited about the flow.... just wait until the first "backpacker" bro shows up..... they are already having the lawyers look into ways to stop it.

Yeah, those damn contractual agreements always get in the way, don't they? As for "backpacker bros" you obviously don't know too much about compass. There's a lot better chance of getting a grey haired mustachio. As for Delta not liking it, the pilots may not, but Delta Itself has nothing to not like. They own compass, therefore already have control over who it hires, and if hiring continues, they will have a never ending supply of employees who never make it off the 3rd year pay scale (read a cheap labor group).

 

[lowlycfi]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

Yes, we all know. Thanks for bringing that up for the ump-teenth time on Flightinfo.

 

[jonjuan]

Yeah, those damn contractual agreements always get in the way, don't they? As for "backpacker bros" you obviously don't know too much about compass. There's a lot better chance of getting a grey haired mustachio. As for Delta not liking it, the pilots may not, but Delta Itself has nothing to not like. They own compass, therefore already have control over who it hires, and if hiring continues, they will have a never ending supply of employees who never make it off the 3rd year pay scale (read a cheap labor group).

Why would the grey hairs want to go to the bottom of a seniority list and commute on reserve when they can stay and move up the pay scale? 30 years to retirement, sure, but 10-15?

 

[aewanabe]

Because third year pay at DL DC9 FO > twelve year CA pay at Compass with retirement and work rules to match?