Compass question

[lowlycfi]

you guys still make $24 first year pay or has it increased since posted on apc?

24/34 as an FO for a 90 seater isnt much.

Are you talking about Compass? There aren't any 90 seat airplanes at Compass. But i will give you that 24 or 34 isn't much to be flying passengers around in any 121 operation no matter what size the airplane.

 

[Dr King]

They're potentially about to lose up to 25% of they're pilot group every year as hiring starts at DAL. You wont see that kinda movement at any other regional these days. Also the majority of their FO's are qualified to apply to other better jobs as they become available thus increasing the possible attrition numbers.

time will tell

I thought I remember reading somwhere that you had to be a compass for atleast three years before you can flow up to Delta. Does anyone know if that is true?

 

[lowlycfi]

I thought I remember reading somwhere that you had to be a compass for atleast three years before you can flow up to Delta. Does anyone know if that is true?

You have to have been on payroll for 30 months and be a captain to flow.

 

[N813CA]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

 

[lookin4better]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

100% truth.... those that think Delta Air Lines is excited about the flow.... just wait until the first "backpacker" bro shows up..... they are already having the lawyers look into ways to stop it.

 

[Moustache]

Sounds like a lot of you hope the flow through fails, status quo for FI......someone gets good news at their airline and the teeth come out from everyone else....

 

[G2T]

100% truth.... those that think Delta Air Lines is excited about the flow.... just wait until the first "backpacker" bro shows up..... they are already having the lawyers look into ways to stop it.

Yeah, those damn contractual agreements always get in the way, don't they? As for "backpacker bros" you obviously don't know too much about compass. There's a lot better chance of getting a grey haired mustachio. As for Delta not liking it, the pilots may not, but Delta Itself has nothing to not like. They own compass, therefore already have control over who it hires, and if hiring continues, they will have a never ending supply of employees who never make it off the 3rd year pay scale (read a cheap labor group).

 

[lowlycfi]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

Yes, we all know. Thanks for bringing that up for the ump-teenth time on Flightinfo.

 

[jonjuan]

Yeah, those damn contractual agreements always get in the way, don't they? As for "backpacker bros" you obviously don't know too much about compass. There's a lot better chance of getting a grey haired mustachio. As for Delta not liking it, the pilots may not, but Delta Itself has nothing to not like. They own compass, therefore already have control over who it hires, and if hiring continues, they will have a never ending supply of employees who never make it off the 3rd year pay scale (read a cheap labor group).

Why would the grey hairs want to go to the bottom of a seniority list and commute on reserve when they can stay and move up the pay scale? 30 years to retirement, sure, but 10-15?

 

[aewanabe]

Because third year pay at DL DC9 FO > twelve year CA pay at Compass with retirement and work rules to match?

 

[CFI2766]

What difference does it make? The only thing that makes one airplane "better" than another, in my opinion, is pay. Given that definition, many Citations are "better" airplanes than CRJs, ERJs, E170s, or even B737s.

Regional Jet is a marketing term. In the true sense of the term, there really aren't "Regional Airlines" anymore, just Contract Carriers. At Compass I've seen both oceans, Mexico, and parts of Canada in the winter that I'm not still not comfortable discussing. Many other "regional" pilots can say the same thing. What "region" is that? North America?

Trying to define the distinction between "regional" and "mainline" aircraft is pointless. There are aircraft that are flown by brand name companies and there are aircraft that are flown (for less) at contract carriers. It's quite simple and not worth getting wrapped around the axle about.

This post should be mandatory reading for all 121 BI classes and a pass/fail question on the ATP written. Well articulated.

 

[hou757]

With Compass not paying for a hotel during training where/which hotels do most stay at during the month or so of training?

 

[Stranger]

Any chance of a ATL crew base?

 

[Moustache]

With Compass not paying for a hotel during training where/which hotels do most stay at during the month or so of training?

Country Inn and Suites Egan, MN is $45/night
TownePlace Suites w/ a 2 bdrm suite is $95/night

Both have shuttles to/from training center

 

[mynameisjim]

or for $500 for the training period you can rent a room at my house in town

 

[DrewBlows]

or for $500 for the training period you can rent a room at my house in town

Someone hasn't done their sexual harassment training...


Sorry, couldn't resist...I just worked up the ambition to watch the video.

 

[LearLove]

Just like the Midatlantic flowthrough at USAir. Anything can happen. Republic bought them and screwed their pilots. It can happen at Compass too.

???? every CEL that made it to MDA had the chance to be "real" mainline. Now if your talking about the ones left at PSA/PDT who never went to MDA then that is another story.

Of the original 125 CEL's that went to MDA in the summer/fall of 2004 (before ch11 #2 and MDA stopped getting aircraft) there are about 70 left on the current mainline list.

Some left MDA and never took recall to mainline, some found better pastures while on furlough from MDA and awaiting mainline recall, some stayed at Rep j4j, a few returned to mainline and left for other gigs.

 

[G2T]

???? every CEL that made it to MDA had the chance to be "real" mainline. Now if your talking about the ones left at PSA/PDT who never went to MDA then that is another story.

Of the original 125 CEL's that went to MDA in the summer/fall of 2004 (before ch11 #2 and MDA stopped getting aircraft) there are about 70 left on the current mainline list.

Some left MDA and never took recall to mainline, some found better pastures while on furlough from MDA and awaiting mainline recall, some stayed at Rep j4j, a few returned to mainline and left for other gigs.

Facts, figures, and numbers? You can't use logic and backed-up information in a flight info conversation!!!!!!

As for CPS vs. MDA...

The uninformed like comparing the two without knowing much about either individual situation. I think many are hoping for the arrangement at Compass to fail, either to personally gain from it or to stroke an ego.

 

[CFI2766]

Facts, figures, and numbers? You can't use logic and backed-up information in a flight info conversation!!!!!!

As for CPS vs. MDA...

The uninformed like comparing the two without knowing much about either individual situation. I think many are hoping for the arrangement at Compass to fail, either to personally gain from it or to stroke an ego.

What if Compass were sold to an airline with a more senior pilot group? Would the senior guys in the acquiring airline then be given the flow opportunity before the guys that were on the Compass cert.?

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

No. The Compass contract has conditions for the flow and pilots that are automatically enacted if they are sold, and I believe there are restrictions on the sale, also.

Do NOT know the details...

Anyone help us out here?

Thanx!

cliff
LFW