Compass guys, what's up with the flowthrough?

[Flyer1015]

Was in MSP and ran across a nice Compass CA. I asked him about the flowthrough situation at Compass and if he had heard anything. Apparently, Delta is "holding it back."??? What is this suppose to mean? Compass guys, can you chime in? My understanding was that this was a "solid" agreement that automatically entailed the first xx spots (20 spots?) of a new hire class to Compass pilots flowing through. Anything other than that is in violation of the agreement. The Compass CA did mention that this was going to make some pilots upset and that "since when have flowthroughs worked, right?" I agreed, wished him good luck, and made my way to my next flight.

Question is, what exactly is going on with the Compass flowthrough? If Delta really is hiring 300 pilots starting August/September, then Compass should already be in the process of getting CAs ready for their departure to Delta mainline. This would be evident by hiring more pilots at Compass to account for CAs flowthing through, FOs upgrading at Compass, and new hire FOs coming in. But so far, we haven't seen that.

Feel free to chime in. Methinks Delta is just trying to save their bottom line (dollar). Hiring a guy off the street will cost Delta just one training cycle (the newhire Delta FO). Compass is wholly owned. Flowing through a Compass CA will mean 3 training cycles: the flowthrough CA getting trained as Delta newhire FO, the Compass FO who upgrades to fulfill the vacating CA seat, and the newhire FO at Compass who fulfills the vacated FO seat. That's 3 cycles, and more expensive than just hiring a guy off the street.

Anyone?

 

[titans10]

My understanding is that compass can hold them back 90 days. However, they receive senority numbers based on the day they could have entered class.

 

[Flyer1015]

Ok, but to confirm, after 90 days you MUST go through? And in another thread, someone mentioned flowthroughs still have to do interviews, like a Phase 1 or 2. Is that true? How can it be a flowthrough if you have to interview? That's not a flowthrough, that's just a preferential interview.

 

[titans10]

Ok, but to confirm, after 90 days you MUST go through? And in another thread, someone mentioned flowthroughs still have to do interviews, like a Phase 1 or 2. Is that true? How can it be a flowthrough if you have to interview? That's not a flowthrough, that's just a preferential interview.

My understanding is only 90 days. I have not heard of the interview thing. Nwa hand some flowups from mesaba during the last hiring process and I beleive no interviews for the flowups

 

[JoeMerchant]

This is going to be yet ANOTHER example of a failed "flowthrough" agreement....When will we ever learn?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

As usual, it's appropriate to ignore Joe.

No interviews for compass guys (or Mesaba), they can hold them back 90 days but they still get seniority numbers just like they started class when they could have first flowed.

First new bodies won't be on property until August or so from what I am hearing.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

This is going to be yet ANOTHER example of a failed "flowthrough" agreement....When will we ever learn?

Oh, if only you would have interviewed Joe. But instead you paid for your job at asa, only to be stuck there while your f/o's go on to bigger and better things. I know, I know, it's all ALPA's fault.
Maybe you should give some more money to Haber. I'm sure his Hampton house pool could use a new sliding board.:laugh:

 

[SEVEN]

As usual, it's appropriate to ignore Joe.

No interviews for compass guys (or Mesaba), they can hold them back 90 days but they still get seniority numbers just like they started class when they could have first flowed.

First new bodies won't be on property until August or so from what I am hearing.

When do we get to fly together in the Mad Dog? See ya on the other side.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Do a string search for NWA LOA 2006 10 and 12. All of the deets are in there.

They will get numbers on their hire dates at DAL but at the option as agreed to in the LOA's can be held in their current positions for up to 90 days for operational necessity. They will just arrive and start indoc three months later with three months under their belt.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Seven;
Come on over the Dos Ocho is great.

 

[DrewBlows]

The contractual language is very well written and does include the option for Compass to hold pilots back for up to 90 days for operational constraints. The interview process was being changed because of the DAL/NWA merger and apparently wasn't up and running in time to mitigate hold-backs...at least that's the current consensus.

Since the flow agreement is a four party agreement all have to be on board for it to run effectively. All parties have indicated they will work together for a smooth flow.

It does take three training cycles to flow a pilot, but that assumes that no Compass pilot will ever leave. Over the long run the fact that Compass should never have anyone past year four or five pay more than pays for any additional training cycles.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Mark my words....In one way or another, the Mesaba and Compass flowthrough agreements will not last....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Mark my words....In one way or another, the Mesaba and Compass flowthrough agreements will not last....

Mark my words.....No matter how many ASA'ers leave that are junior to you, you'll be stuck at ASA for the rest of your miserable career!:laugh::laugh:
Try another lawsuit, you pft jerk!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Yes, the Compass/Mesaba flow throughs won't last. SOMETHING will end it, like the sun burning up, and destroying all life on earth, or the earth as we know it ending in 2012, or DAL going Chapter 7. Otherwise, FLOW ON!

cliff
LFW

 

[Moustache]

Mark my words....In one way or another, the Mesaba and Compass flowthrough agreements will not last....

With 5600 posts, you are bound to get something right........sometime,

You do know their are more than one site on this internet thing,,,right?

 

[PuffDriver]

This is going to be yet ANOTHER example of a failed "flowthrough" agreement....When will we ever learn?

:bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:


You've never been right about anything. Why start now? The flow will work exactly as advertised.

 

[Monster Buck]

When do we get to fly together in the Mad Dog? See ya on the other side.

Still Dreaming? The first 100 said no to the flow short of about 15. Pretty much all the rest will say yes to the flow. 9 per month. Boy with you being about sen # 500 that would put you flowing after 45 months of active flow! Good luck. We have had about what 18 months of hiring in the last decade and that was in 07/08. Before that it was pre 9/11. That will put you flowing in about 30 years. See ya cup cake.

 

[johnpeace]

Mark my words.....No matter how many ASA'ers leave that are junior to you, you'll be stuck at ASA for the rest of your miserable career!:laugh::laugh:
Try another lawsuit, you pft jerk!

Are bitterness and spite traits that they look for in the selection process or are they developed during the course of working there?

 

[WSurf]

Piedmont and PSA's flowthru worked out really well. Lets see we took paycuts, got lied to by ALPA and when US Airways started hiring they said no way to a flowthru. We will Pref. Hire you guys and then turn around and let ya go.
All the Piedmont Peeps got screwed on that one. Argh!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Are bitterness and spite traits that they look for in the selection process or are they developed during the course of working there?

No, but smartass and wit traits are!