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JohnyChimpO77

JohnyChimpO77

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Can NWA pilots flow down if the flow up hasn't even started? I have not received a clear answer on what the agreement is. Anyone have details??

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Yes. All the Compass postions belong to NWA pilots. A flow down would take over all the 175 positions.

MJ42 will let you know for sure, since I shouldn't talk about NWA.
 
WSurf said:
Yes. All the Compass postions belong to NWA pilots. A flow down would take over all the 175 positions.

MJ42 will let you know for sure, since I shouldn't talk about NWA.
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I believe you are correct, although not 100% sure.

You can talk about NWA/Compass all you want, just be prepared to defend your position. I gotta hand it to you, you did well but can't blame me for backing my company. They've treated me very well and I'm happy for the opportunity.

Hey, you'll probably cringe when I say this but...UNC rocks. They're making a comeback tonight. Gotta support sis's alma mater!

Feud over.
 
No problem there! I know that calling out the DC-9s on NWA is a tuffy cause your on them. Listen, I would have done the same.

I have got friends at NWA and Compass. And believe me I hope for the best for everyone!

But my friend at Compass told me that 100% of the seats belong to NWA. So I am sure if a flowback happened (Highly Unlikey, but u never know) they would take most of all the Captains slots. Compass is a good deal, and the only way I would be worried is on a Delta/NWA merger.

Yea, the Tarheels tried....... Down by 28 and cut it to 4 points only to still lose. I am sad, oh well, theres always next year.
 
WSurf said:
Yea, the Tarheels tried....... Down by 28 and cut it to 4 points only to still lose. I am sad, oh well, theres always next year.
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not like them winning would have saved my bracket anyway!

I interviewed at Compass awhile back, and was told in the interview that pilots flowing back go under pilots that are already there...was I misinformed?
 
CrownandCoke said:
was I misinformed?
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yeap. Right now since no one has moved up NWA pilots would bump Compass pilots down. If someone were offered to take a flow up and turned it down then that person would be above anyone stuck in downward movement later on. Yeah kind of a mess to figure it all out. I am not sure but I think there is a limit to the number that can flow down per month. (The training department struggles with the 20-25 new hires they put through a month now)
 
CrownandCoke said:
not like them winning would have saved my bracket anyway!

I interviewed at Compass awhile back, and was told in the interview that pilots flowing back go under pilots that are already there...was I misinformed?
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Dude, I think I have banged that chick too!!

Wow what a small world this aviation industry is.
 
WSurf said:
Yes. All the Compass postions belong to NWA pilots. A flow down would take over all the 175 positions.

MJ42 will let you know for sure, since I shouldn't talk about NWA.
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Flowbacks can occupy up to 90% of the compass list. so its more than 175 and by the end of he year the list should be over 300. fwiw
 
skid said:
yeap. Right now since no one has moved up NWA pilots would bump Compass pilots down. If someone were offered to take a flow up and turned it down then that person would be above anyone stuck in downward movement later on. Yeah kind of a mess to figure it all out. I am not sure but I think there is a limit to the number that can flow down per month. (The training department struggles with the 20-25 new hires they put through a month now)
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There is no limit on the flow back. Compass must use all the training slots for NWA pilots, and cannot be less than I believe 20 per month.

NWA pilots are senior to all Compass pilots until a flow up is offered, then if someone turns down the flow, they cannot be displaced by an NWA pilot.
 
All of this sounds eerily familiar to me. I wonder why?

Ohhh yeah, I work at Eagle.

A Delta/Northwest merger may create the same perfect storm for Compass as 9/11 and TWA did for Eagle.

For those of you out of the loop, Eagle has such a high upgrade time because they signed the very same flowthrough/flowback agreement with AA prior to 9/11. When all was done and said we lost hundreds of captain slots and still have nothing to show for it. Arbitration is still underway to see if the 300 or so flowthrough pilots from Eagle can still go to AA, to say nothing of the few flowbacks still on Eagle property after the agreement expired on May 1st. AA is having its cake and eating it too. Be very careful.

Best of luck to you at Compass.
 
There is a difference. Compass was created as furlough protection for scope. Everyone at Compass was aware of this when they were hired.
 
Everyone at Compass was aware of this when they were hired.
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Well, you hope they made themselves aware of this before they were hired. I imagine you will still see plenty of bellyaching though if furloughed NW FOs come in a claim all of the captain seats.
 
It is a different animal, I agree.

I'm rooting for everyone at Compass to breeze through this merger with no worries. I wouldn't wish the misery our flowthrough has caused us at Eagle on anyone.
 
I'm hoping, and have passed it onto my reps., that Compass is folded into DAL and ya'll are added to our list.
 
Compass getting folded into DL so E175s are at mainline would be the best thing for Compass pilots, Delta pilots, and really pilots everywhere. I'd love to see it happen; sadly, I'm not optimistic that it will. Perhaps my fates will show my cynicism to be misguided.
 
The Delta pilots don't even want NWA pilots on their list. Why would they add Compass who has hired 500 hour pilots less than a year ago?
 
to say nothing of the few flowbacks still on Eagle property after the agreement expired on May 1st.
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What? Shouldn't the flowbacks be forced to floughthrough to AA now that AA is recalling? Why should those flowback keep occupying Eagle Captain seats? Doesn't make sense. They got the seats at a harsh time when they flowed back. But now that AA is recalling, shouldn't all these flowbacks be forced to go back to AA?
 
hockeypilot44 said:
The Delta pilots don't even want NWA pilots on their list.
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Sad, but true. Delta pilots don't have much history of good will with their regional partners either. If you're putting your eggs in that basket you'd probably be better off buying lottery tickets.
 
Flyer1015 said:
What? Shouldn't the flowbacks be forced to floughthrough to AA now that AA is recalling? Why should those flowback keep occupying Eagle Captain seats? Doesn't make sense. They got the seats at a harsh time when they flowed back. But now that AA is recalling, shouldn't all these flowbacks be forced to go back to AA?
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AA hasn't recalled everyone yet. The flowbacks are going back in seniority order.
 
BOHICAgain said:
500 hour pilots?? umm nope sorry we hired i think 6 guys with less than ATP mins which was not suppose to happen
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1500 hours was supposed to be the minimums, but they couldn't fill the positions so they lowered the mins. I know of at least one pilot that was hired with just over 500 total hours. What was supposed to happen and what did happen are two different things. Face it. Compass is a regional flying 76-seat aircraft. Their pilots make regional wages while their aircraft are taking the place of NWA DC-9's and Airbuses. Hopefully ALPA will stop this trend (LOL).
 
hockeypilot44 said:
1500 hours was supposed to be the minimums, but they couldn't fill the positions so they lowered the mins. I know of at least one pilot that was hired with just over 500 total hours. What was supposed to happen and what did happen are two different things. Face it. Compass is a regional flying 76-seat aircraft. Their pilots make regional wages while their aircraft are taking the place of NWA DC-9's and Airbuses. Hopefully ALPA will stop this trend (LOL).
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The lowest time pilot we have hired had 900TT. There were 8 total people that were hired without ATP mins, and the union has since stepped in because this is in direct violation of our CBA. I can't disagree with the rest of your post, but we have not hired anyone with 500 hours.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
1500 hours was supposed to be the minimums, but they couldn't fill the positions so they lowered the mins. I know of at least one pilot that was hired with just over 500 total hours. What was supposed to happen and what did happen are two different things. Face it. Compass is a regional flying 76-seat aircraft. Their pilots make regional wages while their aircraft are taking the place of NWA DC-9's and Airbuses. Hopefully ALPA will stop this trend (LOL).
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Hockey is in his name---makes sense now. I think the FBO he works at has no students. A bored CFI is dangerous. Some get their ground instructor ratings, some find flightinfo.
 

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