Commuting under attack because of crash

[bailout]

Werent these two pilots starting a trip from days off? so, 8hrs or 10 hrs of rest doesnt apply.

Thats the whole issue. It WILL apply. The language states you have to be able to prove rest before you fly a trip, as in Day one! This means YOUR off time, not rest in the middle of a trip pairing. This is why commuting is coming under attack.

 

[Fred Rogers]

So where do the sacrifices end? EVERYTHING effects your job performance. All of us are impacted by our personal lives away from the airplane. Money, kids, spouses, mistresses, car commutes, airplane commutes, relative drama... We have got to get the industry to accept that there will be times that we are simply unfit to fly. We need to have the balls and the ability to bag in when we aren't up to the task.

Agreed.

Also we could mitigate the personal stresses if we were paid more and were home more. I know it's more poetic for someone to work hard for nothing, but if the work was easy, plenty of time off, and you were paid like a king, do you think the airlines would have trouble finding the best and brightest? Do you think people would do their jobs to the best of their ability so they keep these excellent jobs?

Is it so horrible for someone to get paid a bunch and actually like their life?

wha what.. oh sorry, just woke up.

 

[CX880]

These threads are so pointless. First of all no monetary increase will happen as a result of this crash. No body has the authority to order more pay so that our qol may improve. With that said, we probably won't get anything that will cost the company either like accomodations before a trip for commuters. As far as the regulations, it's the FAA, who knows maybe this time with the pressure of congress they'll remake the regs that were made in the 50s. It's unfortunate that in near 2010 we are still making the same amount and working under the same conditions as 50 year ago.

 

[Fred Rogers]

These threads are so pointless.

I can't argue with that

 

[skiandsurf]

These threads are so pointless. First of all no monetary increase will happen as a result of this crash. No body has the authority to order more pay so that our qol may improve. With that said, we probably won't get anything that will cost the company either like accomodations before a trip for commuters. As far as the regulations, it's the FAA, who knows maybe this time with the pressure of congress they'll remake the regs that were made in the 50s. It's unfortunate that in near 2010 we are still making the same amount and working under the same conditions as 50 year ago.

I would argue that the working conditions are the same as 50 years ago. I think that Autopilot, TCAS, GPS, EGPWS, ATC, etc, are far better today than 50 years ago.

 

[doh]

I would argue that the working conditions are the same as 50 years ago. I think that Autopilot, TCAS, GPS, EGPWS, ATC, etc, are far better today than 50 years ago.

Are or aren't the same? Your post makes absolutely no sense. And if you mean aren't, what's your point?

 

[doh]

One of the classes in every Law school in America is "Legislative Law." Hundreds upon thousand of prospective lawyers take classes on how to write laws/regulations that accomplish a certain goal. Many of these people never pass the Bar exam, but nevertheless are employed in government positions. Commuting would be an easy thing to attack. How about this:

"For purposes of this section, 'rest' does not include the time spent by a pilot commuting to his/her domicile."

Let's be for real. The FO commuted from SEA to EWR! the night before an accident in which 50 people died. There is no way to stop them from regulating your "rest" if the political will exists.

Ed, you may be right about the language, but they will get anarchy if they try it. Think about it. You get notified that your base is closing and you will be based in X next month. Your wife says she will not move until the house sells and she can find a job. Or she just plain says she won't move. The company and the feds have backed you into a corner. The most dangerous people are people who got nothing to lose. When the feds take it all away...

 

[Jetpipeovht]

It is not the companies responsibility to ensure you are rested when you come off days off. The FAA should increase rest during a trip and between trips.

A business has the right to be profitable. When you interview for a job knowing you will be paid x and you know you will be based in x, you have a personal responsibility to the company, passengers, and profession to be ready to do the job you asked for.

The company has a responsibility to train the pilots to safe standards and that should be beyond the required FAA standards, but as always it comes down to money.

The Captain supposedly lied about his exam history, and also logged onto the company computer at 3am in the crew room.

I think we should all take heed to the fact that regardless of pay, we all have a responsibility to factor in the impact we my have on countless families and the profession if we fail to get proper rest prior to starting a trip. During a trip I will now not hesitate to call in fatigued.

There is a whole slew of factors related to why this accident happened, but pilots need to step up and look in the mirror with regard to controllable rest.

Medeco

The fact that he lied is irrelevant. He and Colgan were responsible to sign off and receive his FAA training records from previous training. No one here remembers releasing their training records (PRIA)??

The data is there whether he lied or not. Colgan is just blaming him and not themselves.

 

[WayBack]

The fact that he lied is irrelevant. He and Colgan were responsible to sign off and receive his FAA training records from previous training. No one here remembers releasing their training records (PRIA)??

The data is there whether he lied or not. Colgan is just blaming him and not themselves.

Do your checkrides from part 61 and 141 appear on PRIAs?

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Do your checkrides from part 61 and 141 appear on PRIAs?

I am inclined to say no. I am not 100% sure.

Just training history from a previous employer. The FAA database on the other hand has everything.