Comair's Proposal in Writing

[Texx]

To all of you Morons out there who want us to "Stand strong and shut the place down". Tell you what. you give up your job come on over here and make a statement with us and I'll go work for your company instead. Blow off, What F***ing good does it do to shut this place down and then go start on the bottom of the list at Mesa, Skywest, Chicken Taco, or some other sh**hole when where I can make less money than is being proposed here? Someone explain where it makes economic sense for any of us????

And Fred's wife and daughter are still looking for that 1.2 million dollar house to live in.

 

[Texx]

As a former Comair FO, I take the captain-centric mentality personally. paycuts for FO's in the 13-20% range while 50 seat ca's are looking at just 9% cuts? That's total BS. Most 2-3 yr FO's are just getting by as it is... No company funded retirement to the 401k?? Comair used to stand for something...don't piss that away. My impression was that the 3 yrs after the strike were prosperous and helped a lot of pilots live comfortable lives...the fight mentality was dying because of it.


No, No, No...

Lead guys. No one else will.

If you guys take the offer, the JR FOs would be better off going to Mesa and grab a quicker upgrade.

 

[ubpilot]

Texx, you are absolutely right. By voting yes, then only difference between Comair FO vs. Mesa FO is the long upgrade. On the other hand, voting no then you still have a chance to live a slightly better shitty life, the worst case is getting liquidated, and get a much fast upgrade at Mesa.

 

[Texx]

Question for the Comair guys. Can Delta liquidate Comair without the judge's approval?

Also, from reading the board here, I understand that the pre-strike pilots have furlough protection. Can Delta violate that no-furlough provision if they do decide to shrink or close down Comair because it isn't economically competitive? It seems they would need the judge to allow them to throw out that provision, and from her comments she doesn't sound like she would approve of that sort of tactic.

How many pilots are still protected by that no-furlough clause?

Thanks, and goodluck no matter what you choose.

Judge would have to approve liquidation or selling CMR as a unit.

So here is the game.....

DAL has already stated in court papers that they tried to sell CMR.
IF CMR pilots take the deal on the table, they will be sold.
IF CMR pilots do not take the deal and continue as they are with the current contract then at some point they probably will be liquidated but that will take some time with the judges approval.

So, do you keep your current contract and don't give in or modifly it slightly - OR - take the deal and be sold with managements' contract?

Good luck and thanks for playing the Regional Airlines Assoc. game!

 

[AAv8r]

Well the way I see it a yes vote is a geat way to get another cut in the future. So if we're not competitive at this rate are you willing to take another cut to be more attractive. If Mesa goes lower are you willing to take another cut? When will it end?

Good luck to all...I know it's not what I need at this time.

 

[ubpilot]

So if we're not competitive at this rate are you willing to take another cut to be more attractive. If Mesa goes lower are you willing to take another cut? When will it end?

There are two possible ways to end this horrible cycle once for all, 1. Must take a HUGE pay cut, something like FO $7.25/hr. and CA $20.75/hr., I am sure that will drive the mighty Mesa Empire out of business. 2. Start to pray, hopefully some how Mesa pilots will go on strike to save the entire industry. Other than that, I really don’t see any other ways to stop the mighty Mesa Empire.

 

[gkrangers]

Lets just say a crazy thing happened and all the other regional pilot groups came together and refused to touch any CMR flying. Who would be responsible for rallying all the troops together? ALPA? If so....nevermind.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Lets just say a crazy thing happened and all the other regional pilot groups came together and refused to touch any CMR flying. Who would be responsible for rallying all the troops together? ALPA? If so....nevermind.

How could a pilot group refuse to touch that flying? If you refused to do your IAH-CAE flight...don't you think your chief pilot would have something to say about it? Refuse all you want...but if your company wins that business...and you don't show up to work, expect to do a rug dance in the chief's office.

-Neal

 

[gkrangers]

How could a pilot group refuse to touch that flying? If you refused to do your IAH-CAE flight...don't you think your chief pilot would have something to say about it? Refuse all you want...but if your company wins that business...and you don't show up to work, expect to do a rug dance in the chief's office.

-Neal

I know its unrealistic. I'm just talking about if the pilot groups, as a whole, through ALPA made it known that none of them will fly airplanes or routes from someone in Comair's position. I'm not talking about 1 pilot refusing to do the flying.

Management can accept all the flying they want, but what are they gonna do when nobody will do the flying? Everyone hires completely new work forces?

Something needs to prevent the undercutting and cannibalization thats going on.

I KNOW ITLL NEVER HAPPEN, but just wonder what any sort of unification at all would do for the industry.

 

[imacdog]

Keep dreaming. There are too many pilots willing to fight for scraps for this to ever happen.

 

[Berry McCockner]

I'm sorry CMR, but your fate has already been decided. When you vote. Vote with your hearts and minds, but remember....Pilots don't buy airplanes. The big D is just using your situation to siphen more money out of your pocket. You've been dealt this hand before (pay freeze for growth) and it came back to bite you in the ass. Don't get suckered into another trap. Stay strong. Vote NO.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Good luck Comair, you are a great bunch of guys.

 

[L1011 Rules!]

All Regional Pilots need to take a stand or we all will be in the food stamp line instead of the unemployment line......Employees do not need to subsidize the operation of the company or the lack of good management or overcapacity issues!!!!!!! Enough is enough!

Comair guys let us ASA guys down on the the last LOA screwing us ASA folk...now us ASA guys are going to take a stand and tell MGMT NO MORE!!!!! I suggest you do the same at Comair! They already fooled you once are you going to let it happen again?

 

[standaman]

All Regional Pilots need to take a stand or we all will be in the food stamp line instead of the unemployment line......Employees do not need to subsidize the operation of the company or the lack of good management or overcapacity issues!!!!!!! Enough is enough!

Comair guys let us ASA guys down on the the last LOA screwing us ASA folk...now us ASA guys are going to take a stand and tell MGMT NO MORE!!!!! I suggest you do the same at Comair! They already fooled you once are you going to let it happen again?

Yay. Thanks for your support

 

[79%N1]

All Regional Pilots need to take a stand or we all will be in the food stamp line instead of the unemployment line......Employees do not need to subsidize the operation of the company or the lack of good management or overcapacity issues!!!!!!! Enough is enough!

Comair guys let us ASA guys down on the the last LOA screwing us ASA folk...now us ASA guys are going to take a stand and tell MGMT NO MORE!!!!! I suggest you do the same at Comair! They already fooled you once are you going to let it happen again?

The problem is that when we stand up for what is right, we go the way of Comair/ExpressJet/Mesaba and lose what we had! Planes start disappearing to SKYW, Mesa and CHQ/REP/SA start more and more flights out od ATL, we furlough and then they remove 70 airplanes from our fleets! We cant win! Thats what sucks! They wont give us the fair contract we are fighting for, and if they do...we price ourselves out of the market, hence existance!

I'm not drinking any kool-aid here, just being realistic for the first time. Either way we at ASA are F*@k#d! I'm gonna fight along side the rest of you, but I'm afraid we're fighting an uphill battle. Just look around, not only at the majors but our other regionals. We have to become Mesa or be replaced by them. For me, I'm not willing!