Comair's Proposal in Writing

[Max Powers]

For all you puss that are going to cave because you think if you don't the show is over and they are going to shut you down...your nuts have some balls your worth more than you think and no they won't shut it down they will just give you a little bit better deal to take home.

 

[bvt1151]

For all you puss that are going to cave because you think if you don't the show is over and they are going to shut you down...your nuts have some balls your worth more than you think and no they won't shut it down they will just give you a little bit better deal to take home.

From my previous post:

To the Comair pilots, be very suspicious of pilots from other airlines telling you to vote this down. They have everything to gain from a no vote, specifically 165 of Comair's aircraft, and absolutely nothing to lose. There is no support until they all refuse to accept ex-Comair airplanes, and this is as unlikely to happen as Delta is of turning a profit this quarter.

If all Comair pilots lose their jobs, it actually affects them favorably. Don't base your decision on what pilots from other airlines say. Especially other DCI carriers who stand to gain so much at such a high cost to Comair pilots.

That didn't take long.

 

[Nindiri]

Question for the Comair guys. Can Delta liquidate Comair without the judge's approval?

Also, from reading the board here, I understand that the pre-strike pilots have furlough protection. Can Delta violate that no-furlough provision if they do decide to shrink or close down Comair because it isn't economically competitive? It seems they would need the judge to allow them to throw out that provision, and from her comments she doesn't sound like she would approve of that sort of tactic.

How many pilots are still protected by that no-furlough clause?

Thanks, and goodluck no matter what you choose.

 

[bvt1151]

Question for the Comair guys. Can Delta liquidate Comair without the judge's approval?

I don't think so, but there's no reason she would deny it. If someone is willing to pay more for the parts than for the parts and pilots, its an obvious decision.

Also, from reading the board here, I understand that the pre-strike pilots have furlough protection. Can Delta violate that no-furlough provision if they do decide to shrink or close down Comair because it isn't economically competitive? It seems they would need the judge to allow them to throw out that provision, and from her comments she doesn't sound like she would approve of that sort of tactic.

She will never see the contract. The company is already violating the recent furlough protection and the judge has no say in that. No reason to believe the first furlough protection would do any better than the second.

How many pilots are still protected by that no-furlough clause?

I believe its roughly half, although I question your choice of the word "protected"

 

[Nindiri]

Not very encouraging.

Well, fwiw, if it comes to a shutdown of CMR, I for one will be doing everything in my power to avoid flying any former Comair equipment. MX write-ups, sick calls, whatever it takes as much as possible. The problem will be knowing which equipment that is; hopefully the union will provide some info.

 

[OCP]

How do you you figure?

The pay rates are not, but the work rules are still better. i.e. Schedualing.

 

[ILS2DH]

Of course the FO rates are the worst!! You think the Negotiating commitee sat around and tried to figure out ways to keep FO pay. HELL NO! They did everything they could to keep the 70 scale for the Captains only and the top end pay for the Captains. The Union could give two Sh**s about someoned who has been here less than 10 years or anyone who is not planning on trying to make a career at this company.

Aren't you glad that 2% of your paycheck is going to represent you????

The fact that our MEC deemed this proposal unacceptable, yet still put it out for member vote is just further proof of how weak they really are. Thanks for nothing!

 

[ThisistheDream]

What happens if it is a NO vote? , DAL will take it to the judge and the same or very close to same proposal will be enforced. It sucks to think that this is happening but what did people expect? The Comair group had not taken any concessions until lately with the pay freeze while everyone else has taken or been forced into cuts so why would the Comair pilots think that nothing bad would happen and that they would skate thru this bad downturn totaly uneffected? even after this cut they still will be better off than alot of other RJ fleet airlines. But!!!!! I will still vote NO becuase there is nothing to lose as far pay. Anyone can get a job making FO and even CA pay be home every night. 50% or more pilots say that if they knew what situtation the airlines would be in 5-10 years ago they would have never got in this industry, well here is our chance!!!!!!!!!

 

[RCA]

Delta airlines is losing $5million dollars per day. If 17.3 million is that important they probably will and should shut CMR down. Im voting no, If the company fails at least I did my best to make a living as an airline pilot. Cant survive on 30 bucks and even if the upgrade comes in 3-4 yrs 62 isnt that much either.

 

[goodto50meters]

The fact that our MEC deemed this proposal unacceptable, yet still put it out for member vote is just further proof of how weak they really are. Thanks for nothing!

Maybe this is a briliiant way to shove it up Phab-Phive-Phreddo's a$$ by showing him and Delta that this wont fly, and a huge NO vote by the Comair pilots would certainly make the point.

Show support for your MEC and vote NO then!

 

[bvt1151]

What happens if it is a NO vote? , DAL will take it to the judge and the same or very close to same proposal will be enforced. It sucks to think that this is happening but what did people expect? The Comair group had not taken any concessions until lately with the pay freeze while everyone else has taken or been forced into cuts so why would the Comair pilots think that nothing bad would happen and that they would skate thru this bad downturn totaly uneffected? even after this cut they still will be better off than alot of other RJ fleet airlines. But!!!!! I will still vote NO becuase there is nothing to lose as far pay. Anyone can get a job making FO and even CA pay be home every night. 50% or more pilots say that if they knew what situtation the airlines would be in 5-10 years ago they would have never got in this industry, well here is our chance!!!!!!!!!

This will not go to the judge. Delta's scared to death of that judge and they've already said they won't file 1113 for Comair. They went looking for $300 million from the Delta pilots and got $100 million. I guess I see why.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

The fact that our MEC deemed this proposal unacceptable, yet still put it out for member vote is just further proof of how weak they really are. Thanks for nothing!

Actually...you are 180 degrees off on the strategy here. Read between the lines. Also do a little research on the 1113(c) filing process and what it takes to stay in the judge's good graces. Good luck.

-Neal

 

[B777]

as long as you have a regional airline like Mesa and pilots that are willing to fly for them for dirt cheap, you are going to get proposals like this. Sure, the Comair pilots can stand strong and all that, but all Delta has to do is kick Comair out and bring Mesa in. What I am talking about has already taken place. Freedom now has 30 departures out of MCO. If you were Delta, and you have a choice between high rates Comair and dirt cheap Mesa, which one would you take? I heard, but did not confirm, that Mesa has put a bid for Flyi and they are agressively seeking to get more flights from Delta.

This is reality and sooner or later you have to come to grip with it. Continental is also putting the pressure on XJT to lower the block rates. United told AWAC to lower rates, they told them to take a hike. Blowjet is now operating routes previously operated by AWAC. Hopefuly, the industry will correct itself, but for now this trend will continue . . .

 

[jetflyer]

This is too damn interesting.

Glad I have an interview scheduled elsewhere interesting! And if I don't get hired at choice one, choice two will do.

Here is some interesting info: I heard we at Comair are losing 1.5 pilots per day!

I suggest bailing ship while you can, because I think Comair is going to sink, because it looks like this proposal is getting voted down 30-70% in my opinion.

Since I'm leaving I'm going to abstain from voting, but damn this would be a hard decision. It's a scary vote both ways. There's no way to win with either vote.

Good luck to everyone and I do suggest like others to not listen to other airline's pilots. This is every individual Comair pilot's vote, not theirs. Don't vote to please other groups.

Vote and know it may not be the right decision, but vote with the best-educated decision you can make.

Good luck guys,
Jet

 

[standaman]

Maybe this is a briliiant way to shove it up Phab-Phive-Phreddo's a$$ by showing him and Delta that this wont fly, and a huge NO vote by the Comair pilots would certainly make the point.

Show support for your MEC and vote NO then!

When they shut us down I am sure Fred or Atlanta will not particularly care. I hate to say it but I will not be apart of shutting the company down just for martydom. I may be in the minority but I may be a yes vote. I am waiting to hear finaly company proposal before making final descision. So it lowers the bar. Big deal. Nobody out there is going to refuse to fly in to CVG if we cease to exist. You mark my words. As mentioned by others both a yes or not vote carriers risk either way.