Comair to cease operations

[St. Nic]

So what happens to Comair Aviation Academy? WHere you deposite 50 grand and get a job??

 

[Flyer1015]

Sure would be nice if the Delta MEC would step up to the plate and help out these CMR pilots with preferential treatment for DAL jobs when hiring starts back up.....

Like how Comair's MEC did back when Delta furloughed after 9/11? Good luck with that one...

 

[SLUF4]

Sure would be nice if the Delta MEC would step up to the plate and help out these CMR pilots with preferential treatment for DAL jobs when hiring starts back up.....

Yeah, i'd be surprised if that happens. There's a big article in an unnamed Delta pilot lounge about the whole comair not taking Delta furloughed guys thing way back in the day. Their memories are long. Not saying I agree with not helping the guys out, because the majority had nothing to do with it, but it is what it is.

 

[PCL_128]

Like how Comair's MEC did back when Delta furloughed after 9/11? Good luck with that one...

You mean something that happened a decade ago before you had even taken your first flying lesson? Get over it.

 

[FDJ2]

Sure would be nice if the Delta MEC would step up to the plate and help out these CMR pilots with preferential treatment for DAL jobs when hiring starts back up.....

You mean like negotiating language which says something like this:

"the Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots."

And maybe add this:​

"The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. fi."​

I only wish the CMR pilots had been nearly as supportive of the 1310 furloughed Delta pilots when they had a chance.​

Be that as it may, I hope we can help out furloughed CMR pilots, even though their leadership gave our furloughed pilots the finger, we shouldn't stoop to that level. Not all CMR pilots should be held accountable for the inmfamous actions of their MEC at the time.​

 

[PCL_128]

You mean like negotiating language which says something like this:

"the Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots."

And maybe add this:​

"The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. fi."​

No, I was thinking something a little more substantial. With many of those 35% positions already being filled with flow-through pilots from Compass and Mesaba, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for CMR pilots.

 

[GogglesPisano]

You mean like negotiating language which says something like this:

"the Company will fill a minimum of 35% of the aggregate of all positions in Delta pilot new-hire classes in each trailing twelve month period (to the extent airmen are available) with ALPA-represented airmen at Delta Connection Carriers, subject to such airmen meeting the Company’s competitive hiring standards, and subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots."

And maybe add this:​

"The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. fi."​

I only wish the CMR pilots had been nearly as supportive of the 1310 furloughed Delta pilots when they had a chance.​

Be that as it may, I hope we can help out furloughed CMR pilots, even though their leadership gave our furloughed pilots the finger, we shouldn't stoop to that level. Not all CMR pilots should be held accountable for the inmfamous actions of their MEC at the time.​

The Delta pilots have taken the high road. Certainly compared to this ...

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

 

[FDJ2]

No, I was thinking something a little more substantial. With many of those 35% positions already being filled with flow-through pilots from Compass and Mesaba, it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for CMR pilots.

You must have missed the second part of it, not governed by any limitations, but thanks for the advice on what we ought to do.

The Company will offer preferential interviews for employment to airmen employed by carriers (whose airmen were represented by the Association) at the time those carriers ceased operations, subject to the Company’s objectives for diversity and experience among newly hired pilots and subject to Section 1 B. 40. fi."

 

[FDJ2]

The Delta pilots have taken the high road. Certainly compared to this ...

TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.
The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

Yep, one of the most digusting memo's ever written.

 

[msmb]

Ok so if these Comair pilots agree to give up their number at Comair then delta will hire them! All the delta mec wanted was to hire delta pilots at Comair, keep their delta seniority and then be able to go back to delta. Oh and yes Comair and delta both belong to alpa. There isn't a delta pilot alive today that would agree to that! So all you delta pilots get off your high horse and see what your mec was really asking! I hate to kick someone when they are down but rules are rules, even for the mighty delta pilots! Also let me remind all delta pilots that 1. Comair pilots actually went on strike(something delta pilots have never done) and 2.the only people who walked THROUGH our picket line orbit (a huge sign of disrespect) was a delta crew getting out of their hotel van! Swearing at us the whole time.