Comair Shrinking More And Faster?

[bri5150]

Moment of silence for Independence Air please...

They are still around. Just named Compass.

 

[BentOver]

A little bit of Comair history..Comair most certainly had CRJ's when Delta bought them..

Also before Delta's hostile takeover, Comair was intent on buying Spirit (I believe it was). They would have had a different start-up plan than say Indy Air..... Comair's stock was doing very well on it's own. They would have entered the "major" market well before 9/11 and well before Jetblue (how'd Jetblue work out?)

Hey General...weren't you the one who was spouting off about JB going bust after year 5 because they would have to start paying for the maintenance on the Bus? Howd that prediction work out.. In fact I haven't seen one prediction of yours come to fruition...

-Comair pilots got hired at Delta contrary to your opinion.

-Delta STILL hasn't gotten any scope back, there's still plenty of regional feed.

- Delta is not growing and they have seemed to halted their growth strategy for the moment..

 

[N813CA]

Comair before Delta bought them was the most profitable ailrine in the US....

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The General and his 5 or 6 alter egos is a fool and should be on everyone's blocked list. Obviously every idiot pilot knows Comair was the US launch customer of the CRJ 100 in 1992 so no the were not a turboprop operator when DAL bought them. Duh. And yes, it's also well known that CMR management openly discussed it's desire to buy Spirit or another startup flying "mainline" gauge aircraft. DAL bought CMR to kill them plain and simple. You would think that after 10,000+ posts and 10+ years here on the preeminent avaition chat board that idiot would have learned something about the industry, but no, he remains an embarrassment to all of is with his ignorance and insistence upon trolling the regionals and picking on the regional pilots.

 

[comrcap]

I have to agree with General. CVG wouldn't even be close to a market to grow. Indy Air even had the Washington DC market and failed with 50 Seat RJ's and a hand full of Airbus's.
Isn't Republic even losing money (and if it wasn't for there contract flyng they'd really be in the red)? Virgina America hasn't made a dime yet. Comair is a feeder..... Stand alone airline would have been a joke, especially in the CVG market.

When Delta bought us only 45% of our traffic connected to Delta. We were purchased because we were looking to buy Spirit and expand. And as far as the strike. At least we showed some cojones. When has a Delta pilot EVER gone to the front of the line to fight for a contract? Never. Every NWA pilot on my JS thinks the The RD's are spoiled babies. The "hired, not aquired" stickers say it all.

 

[General Lee]

A little bit of Comair history..Comair most certainly had CRJ's when Delta bought them..

Also before Delta's hostile takeover, Comair was intent on buying Spirit (I believe it was). They would have had a different start-up plan than say Indy Air..... Comair's stock was doing very well on it's own. They would have entered the "major" market well before 9/11 and well before Jetblue (how'd Jetblue work out?)

Hey General...weren't you the one who was spouting off about JB going bust after year 5 because they would have to start paying for the maintenance on the Bus? Howd that prediction work out.. In fact I haven't seen one prediction of yours come to fruition...

-Comair pilots got hired at Delta contrary to your opinion.

-Delta STILL hasn't gotten any scope back, there's still plenty of regional feed.

- Delta is not growing and they have seemed to halted their growth strategy for the moment..

Comair's hype came from Delta, not the other way around. Even if Comair had decided to go out on their own, CVG is not big enough or doesn't have enough O&D traffic to support two airlines. Why hasn't SWA or why didn't Airtran establish a hub there after DL pulled down capacity? PIT has a similar problem, even after USAir left, nobody has really filled in the gap.

Did Comair pilots get hired at Delta? Probably some related to senior Captains, but I haven't seen many others. Delta didn't get Scope back, but RJ scope is actually taking care of itself. Higher oil and pax backlash are helping to park many of the CRJ-50s (all of the CHQ E135s are gone too). A certain CEO has said numerous times in Quarterly reports to analysts that RJs are leaving the fleet in large numbers. The smaller RJs time has come and gone, and the larger airframes have quotas that just won't be added to. They just won't. Times are better, and no BK judge will be watching this time. That is the ONLY time in the last 10 years that you were given larger airframes (76 seaters), and NO additional planes were allowed during the Joint Contract with NWA, the last contract that was signed. It just won't happen.

Delta is not growing you say. Overall capacity is shrinking 4-5% this Fall, but numbers for next Spring and Summer haven't been finalized by Marketing. Most of the widebodies without lie flat seats and personal TVs will be getting them this Fall, and the perfect time to do that work is during the slower Fall season. Oil has come down to near $80 per barrel, and that will soften any slowdown in pax bookings, while still being too expensive for RJs. Throw in new Rest rules and hiring standards, and the Regionals just become too expensive. Mainline will be parking more DC9s this Fall/Winter, but there are 14 MD90s waiting for Mods in IND and GSO, waiting to replace them next Spring/Summer. Those pay more, and make more money, while being more efficient.

Did I really state JB would FAIL after 5 years? I bet I said it would be more expensive for them to operate without the mx cover from Airbus. They are an interesting airline that will probably be a target for aquisition soon from one of the Legacies. You just never know, but they sure do have a good hub system now in BOS and JFK, and we'll just have to watch where that goes.

As far as Comair goes, they sure are a shell of their former self. It's too bad their pilot leadership decided to get greedy and ask for more 70 seat RJs when DL pilots were starting to get furloughed. What a mistake. Oh well.....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

When Delta bought us only 45% of our traffic connected to Delta. We were purchased because we were looking to buy Spirit and expand. And as far as the strike. At least we showed some cojones. When has a Delta pilot EVER gone to the front of the line to fight for a contract? Never. Every NWA pilot on my JS thinks the The RD's are spoiled babies. The "hired, not aquired" stickers say it all.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. Condom Air, Delta Protection. You didn't see DL pilots picketing during contract negotiations in 2000? That produced the largest airline contract in history. If you think that alone caused the BK, then you don't know what happened. (Comair strike cost $1 billion)

I fly with a lot of FNWA guys on my Asia trips, and they all seem to be content with the merger, except some of the SLI stuff that arbitrators decided. Many things were improved in their lives thanks to the merger, and of course they will say whatever you want to hear on YOUR jumpseat. I bet you can't believe what has happened to your airline in the past couple years. CRAZY!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The General and his 5 or 6 alter egos is a fool and should be on everyone's blocked list. Obviously every idiot pilot knows Comair was the US launch customer of the CRJ 100 in 1992 so no the were not a turboprop operator when DAL bought them. Duh. And yes, it's also well known that CMR management openly discussed it's desire to buy Spirit or another startup flying "mainline" gauge aircraft. DAL bought CMR to kill them plain and simple. You would think that after 10,000+ posts and 10+ years here on the preeminent avaition chat board that idiot would have learned something about the industry, but no, he remains an embarrassment to all of is with his ignorance and insistence upon trolling the regionals and picking on the regional pilots.

Who cares who was the launch customer? Those planes were parked long ago. It's too bad Comair didn't buy Spirit or another airline, but had they done that, DL probably would have squashed them. And am I not allowed to comment on any part of this industry? If you want your own Regional board (wait, you said you were a DL pilot. Why are you on here? HMMMM. Looks like you are the idiot), go get your own. Picking on the regional pilots? I have stated what actually happened. Sounds like many "can't handle the truth."



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Comair before Delta bought them was the most profitable ailrine in the US....

No, not really. Delta (in the early 90s) had so much cash that they had to get a poison pill via Swissair to protect themselves from a hostile takeover. I don't think Comair had as much cash as Delta did in the early 90s. Nah.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[comrcap]

No, not really. Delta (in the early 90s) had so much cash that they had to get a poison pill via Swissair to protect themselves from a hostile takeover. I don't think Comair had as much cash as Delta did in the early 90s. Nah.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You probably sit at the computer with vaseline in one hand and ur Johnson in the other

 

[i fly boxes]

southwest and other lcc's have not entered CVG becuase Delta owned all the gates. Now that that is no longer the case, watch for one of them to enter the market soon.

 

[imacdog]

The market now shows that regional companies who are independent contractors for mainline carriers are doing, on average, much better than the owned subsidiaries. Based on that I think it is fair to say that without its hands being tied by Mother Delta, Comair would be in a much better position today had it not been purchased.

 

[on autopilot]

Yes, the strike did cost Delta a hunk of money but they were the cause of the strike in the first instance. They just thought that scum like Comair would never dare to strike the almighty Delta. Their "real" pilots never did, so why would they expect different from a collection of riff-raff? Turns out they were wrong. We will never know but, IMO, there would never have been a strike if DAL had not acquired CMR.

I'm sure they haven't forgotten it but that doesn't matter; they hated Comair's guts before they bought it and they still do.

Delta didn't buy Comair because they wanted it; they bought it to keep it from ever coming into its own. From that perspective, their plan was a success, all be it a very expensive one.

I agree 100% To anyone who thinks Delta isn'y holding a grudge against Comair, when I spoke to Dick Anderson about Comairs' future, he looked at me like I asked to pork his wife. TIFWIW.

 

[on autopilot]

I love it when the General shows up. I just sit back with some popcorn and get some of the best entertainment on here.

 

[cocknbull]

When Delta bought us only 45% of our traffic connected to Delta. We were purchased because we were looking to buy Spirit and expand. And as far as the strike. At least we showed some cojones. When has a Delta pilot EVER gone to the front of the line to fight for a contract? Never. Every NWA pilot on my JS thinks the The RD's are spoiled babies. The "hired, not aquired" stickers say it all.

YA because Comair sold the tickets to those customers?

Face it, Comair was a flea on Delta's balls and we scratched you off with our M----Fing paws.

 

[Muskycat]

moment of silence for independence air please...

lmao!

 

[General Lee]

You probably sit at the computer with vaseline in one hand and ur Johnson in the other

The same with you, but you do it in your mobile home (a single wide). When you need to clean yourself up, you probably go jump in the river out back, and catch minows for dinner.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

southwest and other lcc's have not entered CVG becuase Delta owned all the gates. Now that that is no longer the case, watch for one of them to enter the market soon.

How long has the Comair terminal been closed? SWA or some LCC like Virgin America could have used that for the past couple of years. Very little O&D traffic in CVG, mostly all connections.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[CRJ puppy]

How long has the Comair terminal been closed? SWA or some LCC like Virgin America could have used that for the past couple of years. Very little O&D traffic in CVG, mostly all connections.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually, Delta "owns" the lease on that building thru 2025. It's empty but delta still paying for it.

 

[dojetdriver]

Face it, Comair was a flea on Delta's balls and we scratched you off with our M----Fing paws.

That's a good point.

Delta's pre 9/11 pilot contract was a flea on Delta management's balls. And they scratched it off with their M----Fing paws.

 

[dashtrash]

As a former Horizon pilot I owe much thanks to the Comair pilots of summer 2001. Our CEO blasted all of you in a letter sent to our spouses at home. I wish more pilots had your resolve.

 

[flyboyike]

HAHAHAHAHA. Wait, let me get it straight. Delta bought Comair, at the time a commuter with Bandarantes and Shorts 360s, because they were scared of it? Riiiiiiiiight.

Delta bought Comair in 1999, by which time the latter had been a CRJ operator for six years. Oh, and it's Bandeirante.

 

[doh]

Genital herpLee

 

[On Your Six]

Genital herpLee

This from a guy named DUH. I bet Lee is crying right now.


OYS

 

[Freebrd]

the putz Oy-Yo-Yo at his best, you and Jenny even write the same crap, scary and sad, putz

 

[Holy Shiite]

GL is such a ************************* he has penis envy..... bashing on the regional board as usual? how many posts?? Yup, total puss..... What a jackoff.... Who would get on these message boards and spend all this time bashing regional pilots?? A delta pilot?? I think not. GL is irrellevent. HS

 

[badog]

Just in case this hasn't been covered in an earlier post, someone emailed Ryan P. asking him to address this rumor. His response was that it was only a rumor and had no merit. He then listed what the block flight hours would be for next year at this time, which was consistant with what Delta, er, Comair had originally announced.

To: On Your Something and Gen. Lee: This is an annonymous web board. It is expected that over the course of ten thousand or so posts people might get an idea of the character and intellect of someone such as yourself. I have formed such an opinion. I suspect many others have as well.

To:Everyone else: Reading On Your Something's and Gen Lee's opinions here is like reading the comments at the end of internet news articles.
Nothing ruins one's faith in humanity faster than reading internet news article comments.

POW! Right in the c0ck sucker

 

[PCL_128]

The problem with Comair was that they wanted mainline wages, and Delta and the rest of the World saw them as FEED. OYS was right. You have to know your place in aviation, and Comair was never going to get the wages they demanded during their strike.

General, you know I love you, but you're just being an a-hole on purpose here. These guys are watching their airline get dismantled. Have some compassion.

The real problem wasn't that CMR was demanding fair wages, the problem was that 9/11 hit just months later, and the possibility of the other regionals being able to piggyback on their gains disappeared. CMR was left out in the cold, on their own with rates that far exceeded the rest of the regional industry. Had 9/11 not happened, it's very likely that other regional carriers would have shortly followed with similar pay rates, leveling the playing field and preempting the "race to the bottom" that we ended up with after 9/11. Because the bargaining pattern got screwed up, CMR got screwed.

 

[WWEfan]

the putz Oy-Yo-Yo at his best, you and Jenny even write the same crap, scary and sad, putz

Of course they write the same stuff. They are the same person. I had a moderator verify it.

 

[dojetdriver]

CMR was left out in the cold, on their own with rates that far exceeded the rest of the regional industry.

They were good rates, but they weren't ahead of "the rest" so to speak. ACA's existing rates were close to COMAIR, but COMAIR used ACA's as part of their negotiating in typical "jacking up the house fashion". AWAC simply did that with COMAIR's.

And had it not been for 9/11, we all know that ASA and Express Airlines (Pinnacle) were next up in line.