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As a former Horizon pilot I owe much thanks to the Comair pilots of summer 2001. Our CEO blasted all of you in a letter sent to our spouses at home. I wish more pilots had your resolve.
 
HAHAHAHAHA. Wait, let me get it straight. Delta bought Comair, at the time a commuter with Bandarantes and Shorts 360s, because they were scared of it? Riiiiiiiiight.

Delta bought Comair in 1999, by which time the latter had been a CRJ operator for six years. Oh, and it's Bandeirante.
 
the putz Oy-Yo-Yo at his best, you and Jenny even write the same crap, scary and sad, putz
 
GL is such a ************************* he has penis envy..... bashing on the regional board as usual? how many posts?? Yup, total puss..... What a jackoff.... Who would get on these message boards and spend all this time bashing regional pilots?? A delta pilot?? I think not. GL is irrellevent. HS
 
Just in case this hasn't been covered in an earlier post, someone emailed Ryan P. asking him to address this rumor. His response was that it was only a rumor and had no merit. He then listed what the block flight hours would be for next year at this time, which was consistant with what Delta, er, Comair had originally announced.

To: On Your Something and Gen. Lee: This is an annonymous web board. It is expected that over the course of ten thousand or so posts people might get an idea of the character and intellect of someone such as yourself. I have formed such an opinion. I suspect many others have as well.

To:Everyone else: Reading On Your Something's and Gen Lee's opinions here is like reading the comments at the end of internet news articles.
Nothing ruins one's faith in humanity faster than reading internet news article comments.

POW! Right in the c0ck sucker
 
The problem with Comair was that they wanted mainline wages, and Delta and the rest of the World saw them as FEED. OYS was right. You have to know your place in aviation, and Comair was never going to get the wages they demanded during their strike.

General, you know I love you, but you're just being an a-hole on purpose here. These guys are watching their airline get dismantled. Have some compassion.

The real problem wasn't that CMR was demanding fair wages, the problem was that 9/11 hit just months later, and the possibility of the other regionals being able to piggyback on their gains disappeared. CMR was left out in the cold, on their own with rates that far exceeded the rest of the regional industry. Had 9/11 not happened, it's very likely that other regional carriers would have shortly followed with similar pay rates, leveling the playing field and preempting the "race to the bottom" that we ended up with after 9/11. Because the bargaining pattern got screwed up, CMR got screwed.
 
CMR was left out in the cold, on their own with rates that far exceeded the rest of the regional industry.

They were good rates, but they weren't ahead of "the rest" so to speak. ACA's existing rates were close to COMAIR, but COMAIR used ACA's as part of their negotiating in typical "jacking up the house fashion". AWAC simply did that with COMAIR's.

And had it not been for 9/11, we all know that ASA and Express Airlines (Pinnacle) were next up in line.
 
General, you know I love you, but you're just being an a-hole on purpose here. These guys are watching their airline get dismantled. Have some compassion.

The real problem wasn't that CMR was demanding fair wages, the problem was that 9/11 hit just months later, and the possibility of the other regionals being able to piggyback on their gains disappeared. CMR was left out in the cold, on their own with rates that far exceeded the rest of the regional industry. Had 9/11 not happened, it's very likely that other regional carriers would have shortly followed with similar pay rates, leveling the playing field and preempting the "race to the bottom" that we ended up with after 9/11. Because the bargaining pattern got screwed up, CMR got screwed.

Not really. The house of cards was bound to fall at some time. Comair had a failing business model with the RJs--as evidenced by the fact that Delta cannot get rid of 50 seat flying fast enough.

The Comair pilots like to think that they had it in the bag with their airline, but as has played out, predictably, the airline was going nowhere. Delta liked them right where they were, and proved it when they bought them. Enter the era of the RJ, and overly lucrative fee for departure agreements--which also couldn't last. Those days, predictably, ended. Suffice to say that RJ compensation peaked long ago, and mainline contracts have bottomed. Economics finds the way.

Unless you believe that oil will head back down to 30 bucks a barrel, the days of the RJ are quite limited. Careers in the regional feed field will likewise be limited. Combine that with a likely strong correction to the American way of life, inevitable further consolidation with associated capacity, meaning pilot job, cuts, and stagnation is going to be the way of life in the regionals for some time to come.
 
Unless you believe that oil will head back down to 30 bucks a barrel, the days of the RJ are quite limited.

The numbers of the 50 seat RJs are going to become limited, but it will never really go away. Just like the 1900, -8, Saab, EMB120, etc. It's true purpose and intent will finally come full circle as far as it's utilization goes. It will have it's place, just not ANYWHERE near the scale it saw between 9/11 and up until recently when the legacies FINALLY decided there were simply too many of them, engaging in the CPA/FPD agreements are money losers at high oil prices, the costs of operation due to better pay (relative term) of the crews operating them than in the 90's, etc etc etc.....

Careers in the regional feed field will likewise be limited. Combine that with a likely strong correction to the American way of life, inevitable further consolidation with associated capacity, meaning pilot job, cuts, and stagnation is going to be the way of life in the regionals for some time to come.

Don't disagree with the rest, and that day can't come soon enough.
 
Not really. The house of cards was bound to fall at some time. Comair had a failing business model with the RJs--as evidenced by the fact that Delta cannot get rid of 50 seat flying fast enough.

The Comair pilots like to think that they had it in the bag with their airline, but as has played out, predictably, the airline was going nowhere. Delta liked them right where they were, and proved it when they bought them. Enter the era of the RJ, and overly lucrative fee for departure agreements--which also couldn't last. Those days, predictably, ended. Suffice to say that RJ compensation peaked long ago, and mainline contracts have bottomed. Economics finds the way.

Unless you believe that oil will head back down to 30 bucks a barrel, the days of the RJ are quite limited. Careers in the regional feed field will likewise be limited. Combine that with a likely strong correction to the American way of life, inevitable further consolidation with associated capacity, meaning pilot job, cuts, and stagnation is going to be the way of life in the regionals for some time to come.

Spot on! Look the reality is Comair and to extent COEX were in a small club that deployed legions of 50 seaters back in the day. Pre 9/11 that made them look stand out as remarkable feeders. Back in those days I remember hearing all the time that we only needed 10 people to break even on a departure. :rolleyes:

9/11 blew those Cinderella days to pieces. As mainline scope clauses fell so entered the CHQ and Mesa's of the world. By 2003 the fact your airline flew RJ's went from unique to SOP. Everything flowed downhill from there. Special tip of the hat to Skywest for ensuring that 70 seaters would be flown for next to nothing as well btw.

It is the way the Commuter/Feeder/Regional biz has always been; leverage is nil. Any you guys heard of Air New England or Westair? So for all those who want a career at a regional good freaking luck!

Your one hope is that mainline bends over on scope once again so you get to fly an actual 737-500 size jet for Republic wages. If you are happy with that congrats. Maybe Joe Merchant will buy you a Red Stripe. :rolleyes:
 
Look the reality is Comair and to extent COEX were in a small club that deployed legions of 50 seaters back in the day. Pre 9/11 that made them look stand out as remarkable feeders. Back in those days I remember hearing all the time that we only needed 10 people to break even on a departure. :rolleyes:

On point there.

9/11 blew those Cinderella days to pieces. As mainline scope clauses fell so entered the CHQ and Mesa's of the world. By 2003 the fact your airline flew RJ's went from unique to SOP. Everything flowed downhill from there. Special tip of the hat to Skywest for ensuring that 70 seaters would be flown for next to nothing as well btw.

Once again, well said.

It is the way the Commuter/Feeder/Regional biz has always been; leverage is nil. Any you guys heard of Air New England or Westair? So for all those who want a career at a regional good freaking luck!

Unfortunately, MOST of us are stuck here for a few more years. :rolleyes:

Your one hope is that mainline bends over on scope once again so you get to fly an actual 737-500 size jet for Republic wages. If you are happy with that congrats. Maybe Joe Merchant will buy you a Red Stripe. :rolleyes:

Nah, I'm all set. I don't know how much longer I can live this way.
 

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