Comair Rumor Alert - Form Separate Company to fly E190s?

[sleeve]

careful now, Mike is a Captain after all..he must be all knowing.....and he certainly knows more than any FO especially the ones who have probably been flying 121 longer than him but had the unfortunate luck to be at the wrong company.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Seriously folks. There are rumors (Hey, I heard the JFK base is a done deal!), and there is stirring the pot (Hey, Comair is gonna go Freedom Air and say F*ck Delta scope). I hear rumors all day every day, but I don't go running home to my computer posting the silly ones here. I bet the "Comair pilot" who planted this rumor is now having quite the laugh reading the 2 page thread he started through you. Tool.

 

[On Your Six]

Seriously folks. There are rumors (Hey, I heard the JFK base is a done deal!), and there is stirring the pot (Hey, Comair is gonna go Freedom Air and say F*ck Delta scope). I hear rumors all day every day, but I don't go running home to my computer posting the silly ones here. I bet the "Comair pilot" who planted this rumor is now having quite the laugh reading the 2 page thread he started through you. Tool.

I guess the articles about Comair potentially being spun off from Delta are complete fabrications too... Yeah, Continental will never spin off Coex. Mesa would never create a non-union entity. Grow up.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

I guess the articles about Comair potentially being spun off from Delta are complete fabrications too... Yeah, Continental will never spin off Coex. Mesa would never create a non-union entity. Grow up.

You weren't talking about spin-offs in your original post. You were talking about an alter-ego Comair (ie. Freedom Air) being used to fly E190 for Delta. But now that you mention a spin off, that is entirely possible.

It is impossible, no matter what certificate you operate under, to fly E190's for Delta. Heck, ACA/FlyI lost their 32-seat flying when they got their A319's.

Now in some sort of codeshare, like NWA/CAL, I'm not sure what the rules are, but I believe all codeshares have to be agreed upon by DALPA. Can you see DALPA going along with an alter-ego Comair flying the very planes they want, the E190/195? It would be a cold day in hell....

 

[surplus1]

My feeling is just that Delta pilots would go ballistic if DL mgmt tried to back door 90 seaters into the Delta network. It would never fly.

If and when the Delta pilots "go ballistic", which planet do you expect they'll orbit or will they just continue into outer space?

Never say never. If management wants to do something like this (which I doubt) then they will and there's not much the Delta pilots or anyone else can do about it, other than rant and rave.

 

[surplus1]

It is impossible, no matter what certificate you operate under, to fly E190's for Delta. Heck, ACA/FlyI lost their 32-seat flying when they got their A319's.

Why would the 190's have to be operated "for Delta". How about operating them for Comair or for someone else?

Can you see DALPA going along with an alter-ego Comair flying the very planes they want, the E190/195? It would be a cold day in hell....

Who cares what "DALPA' wants? What are they going to do, strike?

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,


You too live in a fantasy world. We still have limits to what management can and cannot do without negotiations, and you still are over paid when compared to your peers. I am not advocating a pay cut for you, but with the new Jetblue Emb190 rates looming (when they get their new planes in 2005), you will be hard pressed to keep what you have, especailly with 70 seats versus their 100 seats. Their pay rates are your hurdle. Can't blame everything on Dalpa, you should look towards Jetblue. And, if you think you can just find new work out there without some competitive cuts (from Randy), you are on dope. Just like our pay and benefits came down, so will yours. Sad but true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Why would the 190's have to be operated "for Delta". How about operating them for Comair or for someone else?

Again. I am responding to the original statement/post by Six. Please reread his first post where he clearly states - to POSSIBLY fly E190s for Delta

 

[Heavy Set]

Surplus1,


You too live in a fantasy world. We still have limits to what management can and cannot do without negotiations, and you still are over paid when compared to your peers. I am not advocating a pay cut for you, but with the new Jetblue Emb190 rates looming (when they get their new planes in 2005), you will be hard pressed to keep what you have, especailly with 70 seats versus their 100 seats. Their pay rates are your hurdle. Can't blame everything on Dalpa, you should look towards Jetblue. And, if you think you can just find new work out there without some competitive cuts (from Randy), you are on dope. Just like our pay and benefits came down, so will yours. Sad but true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Great points. Don't blame Delta for Comair's future pay cuts - blame JetBlue and their new E190 rates - more seats and yet lower pay...

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Surplus1,


You too live in a fantasy world. We still have limits to what management can and cannot do without negotiations, and you still are over paid when compared to your peers. I am not advocating a pay cut for you, but with the new Jetblue Emb190 rates looming (when they get their new planes in 2005), you will be hard pressed to keep what you have, especailly with 70 seats versus their 100 seats. Their pay rates are your hurdle. Can't blame everything on Dalpa, you should look towards Jetblue. And, if you think you can just find new work out there without some competitive cuts (from Randy), you are on dope. Just like our pay and benefits came down, so will yours. Sad but true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Don't look now smart guy, but in case you haven't been keeping up with current events Your buds over at UAL just made you "over paid" by about 25 %. Sad but true!

 

[surplus1]

General,

I don't blame Delta pilots for anything that has to do with our pay and never have. I'm even sorry you had to take such a big hit and will probably have to take another before it's over. All I want you to do is focus on your own problems and stop worry about us.

When we have to deal with JBlue and U we will, meanwhile you can worry about dealing with UAL, U, AWA, and what's to come at CAL. That's enough to keep ya busy.

Also don't forget you were among the earliest to low ball with your Delta Express deal.

 

[surplus1]

Again. I am responding to the original statement/post by Six. Please reread his first post where he clearly states - to POSSIBLY fly E190s for Delta

I didn't miss that Mike, now don't you miss the fact that after a spin off, Delta won't be the only game in town. That was my point. The world does not revolve around those who live in ATL, even though they think it does.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

I didn't miss that Mike, now don't you miss the fact that after a spin off, Delta won't be the only game in town. That was my point. The world does not revolve around those who live in ATL, even though they think it does.

Sorry I've been away folks--new hire school and all. Are you anal enough to think that Delta won't have a controlling interest to whomever they spin you guys off? Think again smart guy. That's why they bought us in the first place, to control whom we fed and when. If and when they spin you guys off now, do you think they honestly will give up who and what you fly for whom?


--a concerned "former" regional pilot

 

[79%N1]

Hoooray for you!! You escaped being a low-life regional guy!! You can now condescend us at will!!

 

[CF34-3B1]

Surplus1,


You too live in a fantasy world. We still have limits to what management can and cannot do without negotiations, and you still are over paid when compared to your peers. I am not advocating a pay cut for you, but with the new Jetblue Emb190 rates looming (when they get their new planes in 2005), you will be hard pressed to keep what you have, especailly with 70 seats versus their 100 seats. Their pay rates are your hurdle. Can't blame everything on Dalpa, you should look towards Jetblue. And, if you think you can just find new work out there without some competitive cuts (from Randy), you are on dope. Just like our pay and benefits came down, so will yours. Sad but true.


Bye Bye---General Lee

You have to remember the jB rates also pay 150% above 70hrs, plus they get profit sharing, and have much better work and scheduling rules than the DCI carriers.

Even scaled to 70 seats, jB's E190 compensation package is way above anything at DCI.