Comair Pilots - WARNING, WARNING!

[On Your Six]

Use the MEC? Bad idea...

Wait a second, is this the same MEC that basically used the Delta furloughees as a bargaining chip during their time of need? The same MEC that has insisted on integrating the CMR pilots into the Delta seniority list according to date of hire? The same MEC that has virtually destroyed any goodwill between the CMR and Delta pilot groups? Yeah, I'd personally think twice about having them speak for you....

 

[9rj9]

they don't care what you think

The MEC keeps is silence because they don't want to hear the reality. They want to protect their little wedge of the pie at your expense. Its egos and politics, self interest rules. Why do you think they are so scared you might actually attend a meeting. You might actually think for yourself.
Ask your rep what is the MECs plan to grow the airline ? Do they have any plans except bash the new CEO and tell him how much money Comair made. We have a great opportunity to grow this airline, Fred has the ear of mother Delta, something Randy didn't seem to have.
The MEC chair makes over 160K a year, is he really worth that? He nullified his own election to delay it and keep himself in power. He gave paid time off for the new status reps to have a BBQ at his house, buying his way back in. Did you know this ? Did the Union explain this? Did you even vote last time, chances are you didn't since less than 40% of the pilot group voted.
Did you know there are 30 more EMB sitting in Brazil just waiting for CHQ. Did you know Republic has options for even more. Where do you think they're going?

 

[zonker]

Why do you think Randy left, he wasn't forcred out, he just saw no future.

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LMAO

 

[ultrarunner]

After reading 9rf9, it sounds like surplus has one heck of an MEC to be proud of!

 

[DDpaysoff]

Wait a second, is this the same MEC that basically used the Delta furloughees as a bargaining chip during their time of need? The same MEC that has insisted on integrating the CMR pilots into the Delta seniority list according to date of hire? The same MEC that has virtually destroyed any goodwill between the CMR and Delta pilot groups? Yeah, I'd personally think twice about having them speak for you....

I don't know who I trust less the Comair MEC or Management.

 

[Otto]

Looks like I'm in the minority. I hope you're right. Ihopethat our unwillingness to discuss any reform will add 50 shinynewjets.
Lets be realistic, they can't give us anything or theywillreward our current MEC for bad behavior. Just stonewalling themwillonly continue to send new aircraft to CHQ and others. I don't likeit,but they have us by the balls. Don't think for one minute we are inanyposition to gain additional aircraft.
Why do you think Randy left, he wasn't forcred out, he just sawnofuture. Fred came here to get cuts or break up the airline. I hopeI'mwrong.

9rj9,
You're not in the minority...I happen to agree with you and Italk tomany of our pilots who feel the same way. I don'tthink stonewallingwill do a bit of good. This is 2005, but too manypeople are acting likeit's early 2001. I'm sure some of the old CMRpeople here will get allemotional over this and start trying to"educate" me but I care aboutthis airline as much as they do and I haveto wonder if it will even bearound in ten years at the rate we're going.We have ZERO leverage butguys keep beating their chest as if we actuallyown all the flying. Putyourselves in Delta's shoes...they'll justtransfer the flying elsewhereso they don't have to put up with ourpesky pilot group. Wake up folks!
Otto
p.s. some spaces between words keep getting eliminated when I post. Sorry...not my fault

 

[sleepy]

Just have your MEC leadership be the only ones that offer to attend the meeting.

 

[CatYaaak]

It has only ONE purpose and that is NOT to learn what the pilots "think about Comair". IT'S PURPOSE IS TO DIVIDE AND CONQUER FROM WITHIN.

This new president needs to know that Comair pilots will do everything reasonable to keep our Company successful and the best. He also needs to know that Comair pilots will not be played against each other by anyone. The best way to send that message is not with 40 pilots in a special meeting, it is with ZERO pilots in special meetings. "MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME!" is the only message he should get.

The Master Warning is flashing red --- there is only one memory item on this one --- MY MEC SPEAKS FOR ME.

Brothers and sisters, please, don't get this one wrong.

I heard that once behind the closed doors of these so-called "meetings", the unsuspecting pilots will strapped to tables and Management Stooge Chips will forcibly be implanted in their brains. Then, all outward appearances unchanged yet now deprived of Free Will, guided by their handlers they will go forth to walk among you parroting mngmt lies and deceit so cunningly devised that small ripples of disatisfaction within the rank-and-file will soon increase in amplitude until they are Tidal Waves of Fear that sweep feelings of Brotherhood out to the Sea of Suspicion where your Union is ultimately sucked down and destroyed in the Maelstrom of Disunity.

You're doing good work here, educating the less-knowledgable about the true malicious intent of this devlish "Meetings" plot devised by the Evildoers...one that has been used successfully so many, many times before. Many, many times. These "meetings" are indeed a big, big deal....you just can't overstate it...and it's good that you're telling people the one thing they must remember and do to deflect this incredible danger.

 

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The same MEC that has insisted on integrating the CMR pilots into the Delta seniority list according to date of hire?

That is not true.


Consider the challenge made, put up one cintilla of proof of what you wrote, or everyone will simply know you for what you are.

 

[spinproof]

You are a liar.

Fins

I've read the quote several times I can't seem to find where he lied!!!

 

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Fins

I've read the quote several times I can't seem to find where he lied!!!

There has never been any seniority integration plan put forward by the ASA, or Comair MEC. That was a lie designed to separate pilots along ALPA apartied lines. I am tired of hearing the lie repeated.

The collective bargaining process is apparently under attack by the same "Freddie smooth talk" who promoted the portfolio of carriers concept to begin with. Comair's new President has been quoted in the press - talking about 90 seat jets. That is a violation of the Delta PWA.

"On Your Six" comes along like the mainline hatemonger he is and starts slamming the Comair MEC. Is On Your Six too stupid to realize that ALPA is all that has kept the uppidty RJ pilots on the Plantation to begin with? Undermining ALPA while he is on furlough, in favor of a management team that wants scope busting airplanes at Comair is foolish.

But then again, this whole mentality that separates our union in to fractions is foolish.

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[michael707767]

There has never been any seniority integration plan put forward by the ASA, or Comair MEC. That was a lie designed to separate pilots along ALPA apartied lines. I am tired of hearing the lie repeated.

you know what, there may not have been any plan put forward by either the ASA or CMR MEC. I really don't care. But I know for a fact (had more than one on the jumpseat) that there were individual ASA and CMR pilots running around saying they were going to get DOH integration and be bidding the 767 soon. And for the record, I don't remember the Delta MEC ever saying that DOH (or any specific integration) had been asked for. They did (correctly) point out that if we could not agree on an integration, it would end up in arbitration, where anything was possible.

 

[skydiverdriver]

So, you believe we should all be punished because of what a few idiots believed a long time ago? The Delta pilots could have solved all of their problems with a simple attempt at trying the PID. They are the ones that stonewalled us.


Our MEC has never stonewalled anybody. Whoever thinks this is just misinformed.

 

[OPECJet]

9rj, if you're so in love with the growth of CHQ, then apply. It sounds to me you're more worried about getting off reserve and a quick upgrade than anything else.

The pilot group at Comair set an example with the strike that the rest of us should applaud. They made the airline a place that a pilot could spend his career if he chose to do so. Something very important in this day.

The days of spending a few years in the regionals and then moving on to a high paying career at the majors are over. You need to realize this, and strive to improve the wages and working conditions at your carrier, rather than cave in to management in the hopes that they will buy you a few more shiny new jets.

 

[spinproof]

There has never been any seniority integration plan put forward by the ASA, or Comair MEC. That was a lie designed to separate pilots along ALPA apartied lines. I am tired of hearing the lie repeated.

The collective bargaining process is apparently under attack by the same "Freddie smooth talk" who promoted the portfolio of carriers concept to begin with. Comair's new President has been quoted in the press - talking about 90 seat jets. That is a violation of the Delta PWA.

"On Your Six" comes along like the mainline hatemonger he is and starts slamming the Comair MEC. Is On Your Six too stupid to realize that ALPA is all that has kept the uppidty RJ pilots on the Plantation to begin with? Undermining ALPA while he is on furlough, in favor of a management team that wants scope busting airplanes at Comair is foolish.

But then again, this whole mentality that separates our union in to fractions is foolish.

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Yes division is stupid. So in good faith why doesn't the "old" Mec resign now to show unity? Bring on new faces for a new start to a bitter campaign that will be waged by "B-1" Buttrell.

They won't! Because it's not a matter of unity, to them it's a matter of EGO! In there belies the problem and the antimosity they have spread since,and before, the last contract! The sheer arrogance displayed by this group attemps to fracture a determined pilot group and only serves their interest.

They didn't win the "Battle star",this pilot group did, and I can assure anyone willing to put them to a test, it will be won again!

 

[michael707767]

So, you believe we should all be punished because of what a few idiots believed a long time ago? The Delta pilots could have solved all of their problems with a simple attempt at trying the PID. They are the ones that stonewalled us.
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I never said you should be punished. And for the record, I think the Delta MEC screwed up big time in not trying the PID. I don't think it would have worked, ultimately management has the final decision, but we should have tried. My point is if you want to blame someone for the rumors about seeking a DOH merger, look within your own pilot group. There were certainly some big mouths running around, and we didn't know if they were just a couple of loose cannons or if thats what you would ultimately be seeking. Also, I think if your MECs had come out and said you would not be seeking DOH, there was a whole a better chance it would have happened. No matter how you look at it, it was not handled very well.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Spinproof,

Didn't you just elect new LEC officers? Sounds like the pilot group has spoken.

If you are really so upset with your MEC leadership -- well the ALPA constitution and bylaws have a recall process in place. Why complain on a message board? Go to your next LEC meeting and start the recall process if you're so displeased.

 

[spinproof]

Spinproof,

Didn't you just elect new LEC officers? Sounds like the pilot group has spoken.

If you are really so upset with your MEC leadership -- well the ALPA constitution and bylaws have a recall process in place. Why complain on a message board? Go to your next LEC meeting and start the recall process if you're so displeased.

Yes there is a new LEC and they are split on the MEC vote. A new Sec/treas was elected and the old MEC and its allies on the new LEC said it was done out of order. Thus putting this whole process in recess.

I say again when you put personal interest and politics above service you are not doing your fiduciary duty and should resign!

This pilot group has spoken. This MEC fails to listen.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

That doesn't quite make sense...

Your NEW LEC should not have a vote on whether to reelect the currence MEC chair and vice-chair.

That should be done by the old LEC. ALPA did that on purpose to prevent a coup'

That is why I suggested that if you dont like the results of that election, then you begin the recall process.

I would venture that if the recall process has not begun then either the Comair pilots have NOT spoken, or the vast majority of them simply dont agree with you.

I wouldn't count on elected leadership to step down unless you go through the process -- and that means getting the majority of your 1800 pilots on board.

 

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Spinproof:

Interesting points. The "Candidate" for MEC Chairman is really an excellent guy. I try to stay out of MEC politics on web boards. but your thoughts are very well taken.

Regardless of the outcome of the MEC realignment, Freddie Smooth Talk should not be trying to circumvent ALPA. It is a dangerous precedent and a further destabilization of an already explosive situation.

Delta has really gone over the cliff on financing without using bankruptcy to preserve cash. I think the days of fee for departure are nearing an end and the CRJ200 is potentially a gas guzzling white elephant now that mainline carriers are bring prices down to LCC levels, even in markets that would never support a low cost cherry picker. Management will cut the only cost they can, labor, as low as they can and then lower ticket prices in a never ending spiral trying to beat other alter ego carriers who are doing the same thing. Somebody has to stand and support the profession. Comair, ASA is with you.

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