Comair may be getting the Dork Jets.

[FurloughedAgain]

Surplus said, "In this case we have a somewhat different idea of how best to get there."

Unfortunately it seems that you and I differ in our ideas more often than not these days.

Regards.

 

[surplus1]

Unfortunately it seems that you and I differ in our ideas more often than not these days.

Regards.

If that is true it would indeed be unfortunate and I certainly regret it. You're an asset to our group and I would hope we could avoid differences. Our unity is our strength.

Sincerely

 

[Anaconda]

if the crj 70 is a "cadillac", does that make the emb-170 a "bentley"?

i commute on the crj 70 a lot, and it is no cadillac...

regardless, i would love to see more on the property.

 

[jobear]

if the crj 70 is a "cadillac", does that make the emb-170 a "bentley"
QUOTE]

No the EMB-170 is a carreer killer.
Just my screwed up opion though. Be kind to me

Jobear

 

[Anaconda]

LOL...true

 

[localizer11]

We want the dork jet flying, not the airframes themselves. I think some type of lease swap with Bombardier would be best, if a deal could be worked out.

If not, I would be in favor of the Dork jets coming to Comair as long as a reasonable payscale is in place. It would mean more upgrades, more lines, and more opportunity for pilots to get off reserve.

The dork jet has its problems, but they are well documented. ACA and Skyway have operated the jet for some time now. It's costs and capabilites are known values. We have some very intelligent managers at Comair. I'm confident they would not bring on the aircraft, if it could not be operated successfully.

 

[WillFlyFoCookie]

They're putting the FAA approved Mod. on it for the installation of several MKE Yellow Pages on the left seat to get you up over the glare shield!

I've been waiting for MX to finally add that mod to the Do Jet! Maybe some of the Captains will let me actually land the plane now that I can see out the front window. I previously thought that when I upgrade I'd have to do S-turns when I taxi like a DC-3.

 

[WillFlyFoCookie]

My rumor is Midwest is going to spin us off. The new carrier will be called thirtyforty. Mesaba, Shuttle America, and Colgan, along with Skyway to create a 30-40 seat airline. Yes, the Avro's and 1900's will be gone, but think of the possibilities.

I like your rumor. If that doesn't happen how about we talk to management about creating a merger with Lakes, Gulfstream, Colgan, Air Midwest (Jonny O. won't miss them....he want's 737s!!), and Tab Express. It would be an all 1900 airline called Beech Express. We'll fly to Florida and Mexico with ample headroom and cushy leather seats. No flight attendants and we could maybe even have the FO's pay for their time. Just think of the possibilities.

 

[standaman]

I wonder what will happen in a couple of years when Delta decides to shelve the Do Jets (Assuming of course they want to I think they do). No disrespect to the Skyway folks but what will happen to you????

 

[Propsync]

I wonder what will happen in a couple of years when Delta decides to shelve the Do Jets (Assuming of course they want to I think they do). No disrespect to the Skyway folks but what will happen to you????

That's kind of a crappy question, really. Who knows. I guess we'll see in two years. I didn't think two years ago Trans States would get United flying. I didn't think ACA would start their own airline two years ago. I NEVER thought we would get any more airplanes, much less for Delta. We have jungle jet deliveries set for first qtr. 2006. Sure, they've been pushed back twice, but again? Maybe we'll take deliveries of 145's for Delta maybe 170's for Jet Blue, who knows?

BTW, the last thing Delta will do is give Comair more control in CVG. I fully appreciate what Comair did to get their contract, but I don't see them giving any more than the remaining 700's on order. Management has gotten smart about breaking up flying in their hubs. More carriers= less disruption during a strike.

Also, Capt. Over is just bitter. He's 5-5, I'm 5-5, I just make more money, and getting PIC time in just one type rating. Not like his 0 PIC with, was that FIVE types? Anyway, don't you need those phone books back, Capt. Over? Isn't it about time to change jobs again? The only guy in aviation that races himself to the bottom.

 

[surplus1]

Why must you call it a "crappy question" when a new pilot entering the airline business asks for honest opinions? Wasn't it just as easy to give the same opinions without the dig?

 

[frjmx328]

As an aside (from a possible future Do Jet driver)just to satisfy my own curiosities - I've been seeing an awful lot of comments about 'maint. issues' - even in the Enquirer article it was mentioned - what have been the problems with the airplane? I know that engine life was mentioned earlier in the thread - are you just seeing shorter than expected engine life or have there been actual engine failures? Is it only the engines or are there airframe and avionics issues as well?

Just curious.


CL

The PWC 306-B has seen somewhere around 5 mods now to the hot section of the engine. Biz-jet engine, not designed for rigerous airline usage......tolerances are too close i.e. -- engine temp limitations. PWC has even re-written the FADEC software several times now. Eliminating single ignition starts ( all starts performed in continuous to eliminate blue FADEC minor cas messages that come up as NB faults on MX laptops ) Yes blue minors still arise, but in smaller numbers. Before anyone starts yelling that they just got off a trip flying a MEL'd FADEC blue cas aircraft realize that MEL 71-10-00 states that the aircraft is permitted to fly 150 flt hrs with said message posted. Not saying the message is un-heard of now, but rather smaller numbers should be flying as long as the boys in CVG are doing their jobs.
N429FJ was nick-named among a couple co-workers and myself as the deathbird due to its tendancy to drop all 5 screens in IMC conditions. Happened twice in 2002 roughly 2 months apart, never occured again. Tech-reps poured over the aircraft, the NTSB was involved also. No one can say for sure what caused the problem, or what fixed it. A DC power control unit ( infamous 1VE ) was replaced, as well as DAU #1 -2. If my counterpart with the dojet in Indy colors would be so kind to refresh my memory on the other item, i'd appreciate it.
Never had a airframe issue that wasn't self induced. Infact, the airframe is one of the best things going for the bird. N416FJ had the DC cart ripped out of her 3 times ( the last in JFK with a resulting NLG wheel well fire....small, but fire none the less ) Swap a couple NLG doors, a external DC pwr recepticle, and away she goes, good as new. Yes the fire required a couple more things.
What the Dojet suffered the most from was being an new bird in a new roll and having mom and dad ( Fairchild Dornier ) go out of business in its infancy. Leaving behind a workforce of mechanics to sort of the issues on their own. There were no former UAL guys with 20 yrs experience for her. Infact former mainline mechanics were almost useless for the first few months with her due to her incorperation of 5606 in the hydrualics ( we all know that skydrol is the fluid of choice among larger aircraft ), her DC pwr system ( again AC is primary in most other jets over 12,500lbs ), her FADEC system ( which outside of the business jet world is slow in progression ). Her de-ice system was also a prob with the older guys. They haven't seen a boot since A&P school.
But with every aircraft like a bottle of wine, they get better with age. Mechanics get up to speed and learn their "issues" ( the 328's HATE the cold ) the pilots get to know the issues, and how to get around them. I'm confident, that with the right mechanics and spare parts the aircraft could be operated reliably. ACA never chose to properly address the 328 issues, and operate the girl accordingly. The MX horror stories are the result, and make for some interesting reading on flightinfo at 2am. ACA closed Boston MX and voulentarily gave up 95% of their Dojet experience. The Boston guys had the benifit of working with tech reps prior to the closing of FD, and learned some very useful ins and outs from them. Some can argue that CAE was around just as long....but hangar MX and line are two different worlds. From the stories i'm hearing in IAD, the CVG mechanics are jumping ship for greener pastures now. Why wait till the end if you can better yourself now? I miss my Dojet, and good luck to all who get to fly them. Dorkjet, Doorknob, whateven. Challenge your CRJ or ERJ flying counter parts to a time to climb race sometime. Un-realistic, I know.

 

[DoJetMX]

If my counterpart with the dojet in Indy colors would be so kind to refresh my memory on the other item, i'd appreciate it.

They replaced a couple or more IACs (integrated avionics computers) as well. I am not sure what actually fixed it. It may have been one of those common DoJet deals where you had to find the right combo of new parts to correct the problem.

 

[Capt. Over]

not bitter.....just talented

Hey Propstink, at least I have some real world experience out there. Let's see.....the last thing you flew as a PIC was what....a 172? Not to mention the last left-seat multi-engine craft you "commanded" was I believe a seminole? I'd rather have experience in several "real" airplanes versus thousands of hours in that "turbo-prop science experiment" you're clogging up all the airways with. And, yes, I've had several jobs....but I've passed every interview I've gone on without any problems, so these companies must not think I'm too much of a "rookie."

"Waterski 5675.....slow to your slowest practical airspeed, you're 5 in trail of a D38J and you're 90 knots faster than whatever that is"

 

[crjdxr]

Could have anything to do with the Do328Jets?

http://www.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?storyID=5901507&ric=DAL.N&infotype=news&articletype=RTR

Canada provides loan to aid Bombardier jet sale
Fri Aug 6, 2004 06:58 PM ET
VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Aug 6 (Reuters) - The Canadian government said on Friday it will provide a loan to help Delta Air Line Inc.'s (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) Comair unit by regional jets from Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. (BBDb.TO: Quote, Profile, Research) .

 

[Flash 7]

But were WAY to expensive!

That's why they grew us like a weed the last 3 years.

Same old mgt. BS.

 

[General Lee]

Flash,


That's true--and all of the other problems at Delta are a direct result of the mainline pilots! (according to our Grandma stews!)


Bye Bye--General Lee