comair lay-offs

[uncle]

Your need for pay is more important than your other needs during the holidays. You do what is more important to you and I respect that. I'm sure you will respect the others who make a decision to take another course of action.

 

[Hose]

I can't even believe I am hearing this. People if you can't hold a holiday off because of your seniority then show up to work. I understand that everybody has a family and wants to be home but thats life. Everybody including myself on the bottom of the comair seniority knew what they were getting into when we signed up. No major growth has been in sight for some time know. We will work the holidays. For several years!!! If you can't get over that leave know and go to another airline were growth is good. Or leave the industy. This is not about the company turning it's back at all or any of that junk. It is about being on the bottom in a seniority based business. I could very well be furloughed close to the first of the year. This does not make me happy in any way. However, I will see everyone in the skies on Thanksgiving and Christmas. I will continue to show up to work until they stop paying me. When they stop paying me I will not show up for work.

You tell them Stan!

Ya Boy, yehaw...

p.s. I will be holding xbox tournaments at my house on Jan 1st

 

[N4niner206]

Dude....

You are a TOOL!

It's guys like you that allow management to get away with the crap they do.

It's one thing to have a professional attitude toward piloting the aircraft, your fellow crew, and toward the passengers, which I always demand from myself and those around me....

It's another thing to treat the bastards who are among the most cynical human beings on earth...corporate management.....like anything more than the scumbags they are.

Call in sick for Christmas!

Im sure you're really going to hurt managements feelings. They know you're as good as gone anyway. The people you're punishing are the passengers... as well hurting as the bottom line, which affects the recall of comair pilots. Go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot... thats always a good way to teach someone a lesson. If you don't want to work because you know you're going to be furloughed, why not quit and let someone who wants to work take your shift.

 

[standaman]

You tell them Stan!

Ya Boy, yehaw...

p.s. I will be holding xbox tournaments at my house on Jan 1st

Since I am pretty sure I will have nothing to do except stare at the wall. (Well maybe looking for a new job)

Consider it done.

 

[Dumbluck]

I recommend Tiger Woods golf, I one spent 5 days (12 hrs/day) playing that game. What a great way to kill time.

 

[Nindiri]

I'm normally all for the "be professional and do your job" bit, but if the company was furloughing me one week later there's no way I would work Christmas Day.

 

[goodpilotithink]

This anger is expected. WE ARE GETTING SCREWED. pHRED IS A DELTA MGR. SENT HERE FOR A PURPOSE. One reason was to gut our contract. The other to get us sold, in that order. I certainly hope the love fest with this weasol is over.

I have been saying this all along.

The first thing he did was get the bases opened. That was because he knew what was going to happen when they went BK. He was directed to get em open. They had to open them because Dec 1 they are cutting all the off-peak and late nite flights out of CVG.
This is how they staged AC out to the East Coast.

DCI Numbers? They are literally put in our face every where we go. They have the flat screen monitors now in ops, the GO, EPIC, company news letter.
Our numbers are ALWAYS way higher that ASA. ....Who is getting AC and who is parking them?
These "performance numbers" don't mean a thing.

I would never suggest all two engine taxi and burn the APU like we used to but I would find it hard to argue if any one of our pilots said screw it.

THEY WILL PUT THE AC WHERE THEY WANT AND IT IS OBVIOUS OUR HARD WORK TO IMPROVE OUR NUMBERS AND SAVE FUEL DON'T MEAN A THING TO THES IDIOT MANAGERS.

 

[h25b]

With all of these furloughs occuring at the regional level, how will this impact the hiring over the next couple of years. Will they likely be calling pilots back by mid 2006 or will this scale-back be on for a while.

The other regionals that aren't furloughing, have they stopped hiring. If they haven't, will preference be given to furloughed pilots.

Where is all this flying going. I thought when the mainlines cut back, the regionals could flourish by picking up these routes.

I'll be more competitive early next year, but it seems like there won't be any jobs for a while.

Any forecasters?

To answer your question, hiring will most likely be stopping/slowing at all of them until all of the 50 seater cutbacks are over and things shake out. It's all going to depend on how much scope relief happens throughout all of the various court procedings. The days of wholly owned regional carriers are coming to an end people. The only thing keeping those few remaining is that there are no buyers.

The mainline carriers are finally figuring out that it's cheaper to carry more people on bigger plane which is why they are parking 50 seaters, trying to increase 70-90 seaters, and a few are even taking a second look at the Q400 turboprop.

As for preference to furloughed pilots, I doubt it... Ashamed to admit it but they like hiring young, low experience because they tend to fly for nothing and contribute to a divided workforce...

 

[BenderGonzales]

lol...scope relief. That's a funny term when the vast majority of domestic narrowbody flying has been outsourced.

What else would you folks like relief on?

 

[h25b]

lol...scope relief. That's a funny term when the vast majority of domestic narrowbody flying has been outsourced.

What else would you folks like relief on?

I agree, that's what makes it so sad... But given the choice I'll bet that management would rather see the EMB-190 at Chautauqua than DAL/NWA... They (NWA and DAL) are going to make a run through bankruptcy for all it's worth. I'm not sure what limits there are on 70 seat flying ??? The Delta and NWA court proceedings are going to REALLY hurt. :blush:

 

[BenderGonzales]

I agree there. The outsourcing of flying to low-wage affiliates is very advantageous to management. It's low cost. It divides the pilot group. It becomes a multi-fronted whipsaw. Groups begin to compete for flying.

There's no downside for management... until one of these 500 hour wondersticks puts one in the dirt. Until then, I don't see the direction changing. Senior pilots will never sacrifice retirement or base compensation in order to purchase job security for junior pilots.

 

[h25b]

There's no downside for management... until one of these 500 hour wondersticks puts one in the dirt.

Did you happan to notice how amazingly quiet they kept the unbridled incompetence of the Pinnacle flight ? Wonder why ? If that flight would've had just one paying passenger... Care to speculate where we'd be today ?

 

[PropsR4Boats]

I think EMB has done a real good job of making their airplanes idiot proof. With the exception of the light switch (turn the strobes off guys…I can’t see!) I think the airplane does every thing for them.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

That's professionalism

Hmm, I don't know maybe because we are professionals we should show up for work when we are scheduled to work. Maybe we missed a few people last year during christmas, we could always strive for perfection and strand another 30k trying to get home to see ma and pa. The job sucks, but you still shine your shoes and press your shirt and get the cheap bastards from a to b.

That's what I did right up to my furlough. It sucks to leave all that time, but if you call in it just hurts your fellow pilots. I finished my last trip fro AA (TWA LLC) Oct. 31st, turned in my stuff and commuted home to take the kids tick-or-treating. It was more of a trick than a treat for me.

It was funny there was really bad weather the last night of my flying, holding deverted for fuel and was the last plane to make it to HOU before a small tornado. The Marriott was a mess with stranded customers. I thought, all that performance with shinned shoes and a crisply pressed shirt and I was still gone the next day. I flew that last leg home with the high-speed below 10,000', turned in my stuff, the Captain bought me lunch before my commute and I was done. Sick time in tact.

At least I left with the pride that I did my job professionally and gave my best effort to the last day. Nobody can take that away from me, but it doesn't pay the bills!

 

[smarc130]

Sorry, but i got to throw some gas on this one...

its all a big game and make no mis-STEAK(like last xmas, i missed my steak and had chinese food, not this xmas though) union or no union, ITS team you-know-who vs. everyone else, and sick time is a tool, and if you got some to use on xmas because last year your were watching Rudolf the RNR on the hotel tv on xmas eve, stranded because of some random computer F-up, followed by some egg foo young on xmas day, with the same crew instead of your hot girlfriend (i know your watching baby), then i say BANG RIGHT OUT, and have a nice HOT TADi, and some Cheesecake, with your feets up on the lazy boy @ home, because thats score one for you and less for the man.

Lets face it, if this applies to you, then NOW HEAR THIS, your career is tracking right along with this _hitty time in the airline industry, where this situation could happen every xmas, until this MGMT pukes figure out how to run an industry post de regulation, (its only been 27 years now dudes), in a way that if the service was priced for profit, there wouldn't be 4+ Majors in Ch 11!!!!!!!! and thats that.

 

[goodpilotithink]

That's what I did right up to my furlough. It sucks to leave all that time, but if you call in it just hurts your fellow pilots. I finished my last trip fro AA (TWA LLC) Oct. 31st, turned in my stuff and commuted home to take the kids tick-or-treating. It was more of a trick than a treat for me.

It was funny there was really bad weather the last night of my flying, holding deverted for fuel and was the last plane to make it to HOU before a small tornado. The Marriott was a mess with stranded customers. I thought, all that performance with shinned shoes and a crisply pressed shirt and I was still gone the next day. I flew that last leg home with the high-speed below 10,000', turned in my stuff, the Captain bought me lunch before my commute and I was done. Sick time in tact.

At least I left with the pride that I did my job professionally and gave my best effort to the last day. Nobody can take that away from me, but it doesn't pay the bills!

You Sir, deserve respect. Good luck to ya.

 

[RichO]

Sorry, but i got to throw some gas on this one...

its all a big game and make no mis-STEAK(like last xmas, i missed my steak and had chinese food, not this xmas though) union or no union, ITS team you-know-who vs. everyone else, and sick time is a tool, and if you got some to use on xmas because last year your were watching Rudolf the RNR on the hotel tv on xmas eve, stranded because of some random computer F-up, followed by some egg foo young on xmas day, with the same crew instead of your hot girlfriend (i know your watching baby), then i say BANG RIGHT OUT, and have a nice HOT TADi, and some Cheesecake, with your feets up on the lazy boy @ home, because thats score one for you and less for the man.

Lets face it, if this applies to you, then NOW HEAR THIS, your career is tracking right along with this _hitty time in the airline industry, where this situation could happen every xmas, until this MGMT pukes figure out how to run an industry post de regulation, (its only been 27 years now dudes), in a way that if the service was priced for profit, there wouldn't be 4+ Majors in Ch 11!!!!!!!! and thats that.

Dude, sorry if I read this message first, I wouldn't have just sent you my version of this msg to your ol'e-mail......but hey, I'll buy you a Tadi if you ever get your *ss out west......However I agree with your post hands down.......

 

[RichO]

That's what I did right up to my furlough. It sucks to leave all that time, but if you call in it just hurts your fellow pilots. I finished my last trip fro AA (TWA LLC) Oct. 31st, turned in my stuff and commuted home to take the kids tick-or-treating. It was more of a trick than a treat for me.

It was funny there was really bad weather the last night of my flying, holding deverted for fuel and was the last plane to make it to HOU before a small tornado. The Marriott was a mess with stranded customers. I thought, all that performance with shinned shoes and a crisply pressed shirt and I was still gone the next day. I flew that last leg home with the high-speed below 10,000', turned in my stuff, the Captain bought me lunch before my commute and I was done. Sick time in tact.

At least I left with the pride that I did my job professionally and gave my best effort to the last day. Nobody can take that away from me, but it doesn't pay the bills!

This was real moving, I think I have a tear in my eye........NOT

 

[HoursHore]

After the TA with the pay Freeze, I seem to remember language that the freeze would go away with retro pay if the company's promise of more jets wasn't fulfilled. Has the Bankruptcy negated that? Or is that something the union will pursue?

 

[DrewBlows]

After the TA with the pay Freeze, I seem to remember language that the freeze would go away with retro pay if the company's promise of more jets wasn't fulfilled. Has the Bankruptcy negated that? Or is that something the union will pursue?

Seeing that the company and the union are starting concessionary negotiations at the end of the month, I think that you can put that part of the TA in the "null and void" catagory.