comair growth

[twobits]

hmmm...... i thought this was old news. Comair hires Delta pilots now. They did before as well, however, it was Comair's holding currently called Delta Air Elite. This should really be a mute point, but it it continues to waste people's time and divides us. Getting that job at Delta should probably be the last thing on people's minds right now (it ain't happening anytime soon, sorry to dissapoint you) and finding ways to make the company survive and thrive should be first.

 

[Plug]

Wrong again, Texx. The issue was with resigning seniority. Comair's policy has always been that pilots must give up their number at their current employer prior to being offered a job at Comair. I had to do it, as did the other 1800 pilots here. That created heartburn with some of the Delta boys, as they felt as though they were for some reason above having to do that. Comair, Inc. was simply enforcing Comair policy. Quit blaming JC, the RJDC, and the "unruly" Comair pilot group, because you [and so many others] are barking up the wrong tree. The pilot shortages you speak of would have been a secondary consequence had they not been required to give up their seniority, and Comair, Inc. was smart enough to recognize that. It's not rocket science.....

OK, you had to resign your number, probably not too concerned about getting re-called at JI, business ain't too good over there and it hadn't been since before 9/11, oh wait they don't exist anymore. So your seniority at JI is nill just like all other JI pilots.

Next.......

So you're saying that the CMR pilots were concerned about CMR's well-being should they hire DAL pilots and allow them to retain their re-call rights? These same concerned CMR pilots felt this way just 2 years after nearly burning CMR down with an 89 day strike.

BS ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now what really happened, JC, with a majority of the CMR MEC, attempted to strike a deal with the DAL MEC to change the scope clause to be more inclusive of CMR. The DAL MEC said no and JC and the boys said "well, okay, we won't go out of my way to do anything..." (these are not word for word statements but a brief summary of what happened over the course of time)

So the "I'm looking out for the best interest of CMR.." line is crap, you know and most others know it, the CMR MEC was trying to get something in return for their consent in hiring furloughs from the DAL MEC and the DAL MEC wouldn't play ball.

 

[Plug]

The CMR airplane with the hand prints on it is now dubbed the "Hand Job".

The ASA airplane with Stone Mountain on it is either "Pimpel Jet", "Landfill Jet", or "Slider 3". ;-)

The ASA airplane with "the pretty flowers on it", well I won't go there....

Next......

Some one from CMR brought up the ASA contact and that they got tired of waiting for us to negotiate a new deal, about how long did you guys negotiate before the strike? 'Bout 3 1/2 years, right? Yeah it'll be 3 years for us in Sept. Thanks for the supportive sticker, a$$!

For you to actually sit there and say the ASA pilots are to blame, you would have to be a mental midget. We did nothing, did not change our current agreement, the pace of negotiations we simply let DAL make the decision as to where the airplanes are to go (referring to the RFP). We initially got 25 (4 of which have now been converted to -700's), the 7 airplanes Skywest were to get are now coming to ASA (now up to 32 new airplanes), we are giving up 10 airplanes in our current fleet so that CMR can comply with your new agreement and will eventually get 12 GECAS birds (total is 34 airplanes). Now, 6 of those new jets from Canada have been put off until next year in the hopes of getting the financing to convert them to -700's, but still 34 airplanes in total will be delivered to ASA from 12/04 to 12/06 all the while we the pilots didn't do Jack Squat for the company.

So you keep telling yourself that you were helping the company with your pay freeze that was a drop in the bucket and really doesn't make a difference to the CMR budget, but keep telling yourself you helped. What you really did was confirm management's theory that we young regional pilots sport wood over the possibility to fly bigger airplanes. They have been trying to exploit this for some time because they knew it was there. They knew it was there no thanks to the RJDC with respect to scope limits. They knew that if a following formed for a lawsuit to loosen scope language so that more bigger airplanes can be flown then they could exploit that and get a concession from the pilots. Way to go, you keep blaming us ASA pilots, we clearly are the problem! I dub you "Indesposable Douche Bag!"

 

[chperplt]

Some of you guys have anger problems... Might want to take care of that before you drop dead.

 

[JI Gone OH]

A lot faster than you bud. Thanks to your generosity as a pilot group in general, we will probably be looking at ASA pilots before you. They were nice enough not to set up road blocks to help our furloughed pilots. But, you knew that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

D*mned if we do, d*mned if we don't... Can't win with you, can we?

 

[JI Gone OH]

So the "I'm looking out for the best interest of CMR.." line is crap, you know and most others know it, the CMR MEC was trying to get something in return for their consent in hiring furloughs from the DAL MEC and the DAL MEC wouldn't play ball.

Yeah, for example they wanted to secure all growth within D.C.I. to the wholley-owned carriers, and that would have benefited YOU too! Bad CMR MEC, bad!! Wouldn't it have been great to keep the CHQ's and [now] Mesa's out of the growth picture?

 

[bvt1151]

D*mned if we do, d*mned if we don't... Can't win with you, can we?

That perfectly explains the General!

 

[Plug]

Yeah, for example they wanted to secure all growth within D.C.I. to the wholley-owned carriers, and that would have benefited YOU too! Bad CMR MEC, bad!! Wouldn't it have been great to keep the CHQ's and [now] Mesa's out of the growth picture?

I think this statement is merely a half truth. The CMR MEC had 1 motive and that was to get something in return. I seriously doubt that JC was thinking about the ASA pilots, he was thinking more about scoring a peice of the pie for the CMR pilots. Let's not forget that this is the same MEC that went against the long held position amongst the DCI MEC's to not give concessions for growth. The CMR MEC could care less about any other pilot group, that is their job to a certain extent, not stepping on others is another part of the job. The CMR MEC does a great job of looking out for the CMR pilots, but to hell with every one else.

 

[bvt1151]

I think this statement is merely a half truth. The CMR MEC had 1 motive and that was to get something in return. I seriously doubt that JC was thinking about the ASA pilots, he was thinking more about scoring a peice of the pie for the CMR pilots. Let's not forget that this is the same MEC that went against the long held position amongst the DCI MEC's to not give concessions for growth. The CMR MEC could care less about any other pilot group, that is their job to a certain extent, not stepping on others is another part of the job. The CMR MEC does a great job of looking out for the CMR pilots, but to hell with every one else.

Would ASA have refused the 70-seaters that DCI was going to take from Comair had the freeze not passed? I very much doubt it. Comair's MEC does what every MEC does, look after the welfare of the Comair pilots. Not a single MEC would have supported Comair during the strike if it meant that it would hurt their own pilot group, which raising the pay of other pilots will never hurt your own group. Nothing wrong with that at all. Its the way MEC's should do business.

Try going on strike, ASA, and see how quickly JC and the Comair pilots step up to help (I seriously doubt you have the unity but please prove me wrong). We're all waiting to help the first pilot group to stand up to management since '01.

 

[Plug]

Would ASA have refused the 70-seaters that DCI was going to take from Comair had the freeze not passed? I very much doubt it. Comair's MEC does what every MEC does, look after the welfare of the Comair pilots. Not a single MEC would have supported Comair during the strike if it meant that it would hurt their own pilot group, which raising the pay of other pilots will never hurt your own group. Nothing wrong with that at all. Its the way MEC's should do business.

Try going on strike, ASA, and see how quickly JC and the Comair pilots step up to help (I seriously doubt you have the unity but please prove me wrong). We're all waiting to help the first pilot group to stand up to management since '01.

Nice play on words there. The stance that the ASA/CMR/ and even CHQ MEC's had was "no concessions for growth." Plain and simple, let DAL put the airplanes where they feel necessary, because DAL doesn't do things like this on a wimb. As far as us flying 70 seaters that should have gone to CMR is speculative at best. Though if it were to happen we would fly them and they would probably have a lot of the same problems that the 3 strike birds had, but I don't have a say as to what DAL wants to do with airframes. However, if it was proposed that we could get more 70 seaters from CMR if we sign such and such agreement I would vote "NO".

Comparing everything to the "Great CMR Strike" is quite typical of you Nepoleon types. I didn't mention the strike and this has absolutely nothing to do with your strike so stop trying to dignify yourself with it. You went on strike, every MEC supported you, and every member paid assesments, what else do you want? a cookie? We supported you in the name of unity! Unity is something the majority of the CMR pilots did not show when faced with hallow threats from Whipsaw Fred.

As far as your statement about ASA striking, F'ck off! Wilson polling shows the ASA pilots as the most militant in quite some time. Many of us are screaming for strike votes and want to take action anyway possible, but we don't do it half cocked like you guys did, we don't want pilots being fired for a mx write up campaign, our MEC actually has a plan.

 

[Texx]

This is all dumb. Have some of you naysayers even heard Fred speak? If he does even half of what he says, he'll be quite a leader. Ask any Comair pilot about the APU situation and other various changes.....

Yeah and talk to JC who is whining that Fred is bending you guys over. Atleast that was his complaint last week.

 

[bvt1151]

Yeah and talk to JC who is whining that Fred is bending you guys over. Atleast that was his complaint last week.

Poor Plug...

Anyways, I hate to admit it, but here at Comair, we're all pretty pleased with Fred. Granted, we understand Fred is out for Comair, and not the pilots, but he also seems to realize that he needs the pilots in order to improve Comair. Word from the union side is that relations are excellent with the new administration, which is cautious optimism, at best, but optimism nonetheless. I for one was very critical of him, but he seems to be doing all the small things right (except for the M.S. seniority issue).

By the way, the movement of 70's to ASA was not mentioned until months after the freeze was voted. According to Fred, he didn't want it to sound like a threat, so he didn't mention it. Several other union types warned against it though. If you're skeptical about the ease at which DCI can move airplanes, look at how quickly they swapped the ACA planes with ASA planes for Comair. What'd that take? A month?

 

[jehtplane]

Would ASA have refused the 70-seaters that DCI was going to take from Comair had the freeze not passed? I very much doubt it. Comair's MEC does what every MEC does, look after the welfare of the Comair pilots. Not a single MEC would have supported Comair during the strike if it meant that it would hurt their own pilot group, which raising the pay of other pilots will never hurt your own group. Nothing wrong with that at all. Its the way MEC's should do business.

Try going on strike, ASA, and see how quickly JC and the Comair pilots step up to help (I seriously doubt you have the unity but please prove me wrong). We're all waiting to help the first pilot group to stand up to management since '01.

How ? By taking another pay freeze so you can have our airplanes? 61% of you suck and you know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Texx]

Poor Plug...

Word from the union side is that relations are excellent with the new administration, which is cautious optimism, at best, but optimism nonetheless.

Well it sounds like JC is telling you guys one story and tell our people another. But what do you expect...he's done it before. Good Luck

Oh, buy the way. Did Fred's wife pick out their new $1.2 mil. home up there?