Cloudroller
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they're both sub par why not go to the one that pays the most?
I'd wait
you wanna sit on reserve forever or hold a line right outta training??
i got a friends thats been sitting or reserve at mesa since feb 06 just cause he wanted to fly a jet
Here's a little of what you can expect at Mesa:
1st Year:
2nd Year:
- 6 days on/2 days off reserve. You WILL fly (a little) every day, so no side employment, and you won't be commuting either
- Like Airports? Good, because while you're waiting to fly, you'll be waiting in uniform at the airport for a minimum of 8 hours a day, but 10 hour "ready reserve" shifts give crew trackers maximum flexibility (you get maximum misery)
- Like Airplanes? Great! Because you're not only going to fly them, there's a good chance you'll be sleeping the back of them as well. Bring earplugs, blankets (summertime)/sleeping bags (winter for busted APU's), and cold medicine, because our planes are CRAWLING with bacteria.
- Oh, you're reserve, so you'll fly daytime one day, night time the next. Forget about a regular sleep schedule for at least the next 2 years.
- Annual pay $17,180 (B1900 or Dash), $19,383 (CRJ2/7/9)
- "Training agreement" . . . you're on the hook for up to $10,000 if you bail the first year for greener pastures.
- Contract games . . . anyone's guess, but it won't be pretty, and it won't be short. I suspect the company is going to squeeze very, very hard in every way they can . . . and remember, you're probationary the first year, so you better play along.
- Bases: IAD or ORD, most likely for the CRJ. Performance is a problem at ORD (company offering a bonus to make pilots try harder) and IAD is expensive as hell.
- 401 (k). Do it. Company matches 3.0% for the first 10% you plunk in. Adds up over time.
3rd Year
- You might be able to hold a "hard line" . . . so at least you get 10 days off every 28 (mostly groups of 2 days off).
- But you don't really know what your schedule is, because guess what? The company can change it at will! Repeatedly! And no, you're not pay protected if your awarded 85 hour line gets slashed down to the minimum pay guarantee of 70 hours. Cancellations due to weather, most maintenance, equipment downgrades, etc . . . you're screwed.
- Upgrades? At 2 years? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. You wish.
- Contract fight is still on. At least you're union now. Your contract will be ignored and twisted on a daily basis, but you can "fly now, grieve later". Good luck with that.
- Oh, but you'll be giving almost 2% of your paycheck to ALPA. Hope it's worth it, cus the B.S. coming from one side in the debate is going to be very, very thick.
- Enjoy your 1 week of vacation. But our vacation bidding is a joke (not going to go into it). Suffice it to say I hope you like taking vacations at non-desirable times.
- Pay on jet: $26,000 Pay on D8/B1900 $19,300
- Your domicile will have been changed on you at least twice by now. Company doesn't care "You chose to become a pilot" . . . oh, you don't get "move days" . .. .you do that on your own personal time. If you're in the B1900, it's more like 6 times by now.
- (If you're like most current Mesa fo's, here's where you BAIL for Skywest and RJet . . . but they'll be filling up by then)
4th year
- Upgrade right around the corner. Maybe. Problem is, if you take it, you'll be right back on reserve with 6 on/2 off in a domicile you probably don't want to have anything to do with. Commuting once again nigh impossible. (This assumes we haven't lost a code share by then)
- Contract fight getting nasty. Lots of picketing on your day off, but no end in sight. Lots of rhetoric from both sides, lots of yak, yak complaining about contract on the line. Oy! This is like working on flightinfo.
And so forth. This contract fight will take at least 3 years, probably more like 5, and the advantage will be for the company as union leadership quits to get the f out of here as fast as they can. And save your pennies, because if this doesn't go to a strike, ALPA isn't doing it's job.
- Upgrade now! Assuming the planes are still here. A lot can happen in 4 years, we could have lost a code share or two. In which case, you're f'd.
- Contract fight slogs on.
Good luck. For the life of me, I don't know why you wouldn't try to get on somewhere else.
And this is based on your years of experience at CJC or just from what you have read here?
For what? A call from Fedex, Southwest?
Look at the pay scales dude.
BS you wont even sit reserve unless you bid CLT or PHX
BS you wont even sit reserve unless you bid CLT or PHX