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Kind of...All the USAirways flying, except for CRW is going away...Not heard anything about IAD or IAH, however, if EAS goes away I would expect a good portion of the IAD operation to cease and I think only one of the routes in IAH is EAS?
 
I am going to go out on a limb here and guess your response was a poor attempt at sarcasm, which by the way is not even close to the truth...It's called business and no one forced you to come work at Pncl, an airline that enjoyed an equally bad reputation with Colgan.
 
I think he meant to say...


Great. Now Pinnacle Corp can pay more Saab pilots to sit at home for months and months on paid vacation until it's time to spend $xx,xxx to retrain them on the CR2, while 9E FO's with more years of service and who know the aircraft much much better waste away. Might as well add another 5% pay cut to pay for all of that too.
 
altimaklr said:
I think he meant to say...


Great. Now Pinnacle Corp can pay more Saab pilots to sit at home for months and months on paid vacation until it's time to spend $xx,xxx to retrain them on the CR2, while 9E FO's with more years of service and who know the aircraft much much better waste away. Might as well add another 5% pay cut to pay for all of that too.
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No NO NO! If you're going to post, get it right!

Those Saab pilots are going to the Q-400, the 2-3 years guys are going to get to bid as a CA, while the Pinnacle FO's who has been here a year or more cannot get award. You know, the same airplane that was bought with the money that Pinnacle management saved from not paying the original Pinnacle pilots,while we didn't have a contract for 5 years.
 
I'd expect all saabs to be parked by 2013 and locks in place for those who move around.

Just my predictions, not worth a grain of salt.
 
If he hates Pinnacle so much, why doesn't he quit?
 
The B + models are not coming over to the Colgan side right away as originally planed. The company might wait to save money or maybe the Saab is due for early retirement. I'm sure we will know sooner than later with the upcoming roadshows.
 
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Tell ya what I've learned so far on this thread- that I'm happy I haven't gone to the CRJ yet. The attitudes some of you "legacy" PNCL people have on here is ridiculous and childish. You must be the ones who can't bring yourselves to even look at or talk to the Mesaba or Colgan crews in the hotel vans. Real cool and professional.

Don't know about you, but I can't wait till our next van ride together- hell, this time I might even try to sit next to you. I'd love it if you actually voiced your frustrations to our faces. You probably won't though, and continue being keyboard tough guy. Sooner or later though, we'll fly together- be very sure of that.
 
Snaab said:
Tell ya what I've learned so far on this thread- that I'm happy I haven't gone to the CRJ yet. The attitudes some of you "legacy" PNCL people have on here is ridiculous and childish.
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I'll tell you what I've learned so far (if you're talking about my post). Some of you can't take a joke, and everything has to be serious. Do you think some Colgan or Mesaba crew doesn't have the same attitude? Even if I wasn't messing around. What wrong with me pointing out the facts. Just everything that was said on here was true.
 
keep up the good work boys. While you bicker and infight about scraps, whos flying what etc, you company is choking on the upper decker that I left in Memphis before i resigned. So carry on as always while my boy Shockey and i cruise Memphis in our Aston Martins and eat sushi boats off of the naked stomachs of thai hookers. My golden parachute is counting on you..

Uncle Phildo
 
I don't think Pinnacle's training dept. has anything to be proud of either if you look at their track record...BOTH airlines are equally lousy....
 
Kaman said:
I don't think Pinnacle's training dept. has anything to be proud of either if you look at their track record...BOTH airlines are equally lousy....
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And for anyone keeping score, it's important to note that it's been exactly FIVE years since Pinnacle purchased Colgan to garner more flying (see CHEAPER flying). So, Pinnacle has oversight over TWO training departments.

Here's a quick history lesson. Uncle Phildo said: "Doug, our pesky Pinnacle pilots would just ask for too much damn money to fly that Q400. Why don't we buy little Colgan and ensure they are the ones flying the nice, new Q400 for slave rates. I'll even install an all-star team to run the New Colgan/Pinnacle Light. Wuddya say we go with Buddy Casey and Harry Mitchel at the top, they're awesome. From there, I'm confident they'll make smart hires, especially in positions related to getting a new plane (like a Q400) up and running smoothly. I'm so ****ing smart! Fire up the Cohiba's, cuz it's BONUS TIME, b*tches!!!"
 
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dingo222 said:
keep up the good work boys. While you bicker and infight about scraps, whos flying what etc, you company is choking on the upper decker that I left in Memphis before i resigned. So carry on as always while my boy Shockey and i cruise Memphis in our Aston Martins and eat sushi boats off of the naked stomachs of thai hookers. My golden parachute is counting on you..

Uncle Phildo
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this is poetic brilliance.
 
altimaklr said:
It's probably good you didn't come to the jet yet, considering the astronomical failure rate the Saab people are having lately.
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Hmmmm, I am in training now and certainly nobody in my class is having anything near any trouble. Our instructor also said he was impressed with the amount of information we were learning compared to his previous 9E classes. There has been no talk about "astronomical failure rates" which I would hope be discussed if they were having problems.

All that being said, this training program is a piece of crap. 75% of our learning is done outside training hours and from the Mesaba 200 powerpoints we look at on our own. But, it is what it is. Get through training and then try to improve things from the inside I guess.
 
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The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.
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Just because someone gets a "pink" slip on a type ride or needs a few more hours of OE, doesn't mean they're "lost." You make it sound like almost 50% are not even able to make it through to the line. I find that hard to believe.
 
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The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.
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You may be right, but our ground instructor doesn't even have that informatiin. That is sad in its own right if what you say is true. We would hate to learn from others mistakes .
 
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The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.
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I'm sure this is more of your made-up "I hate everyone not 9E
" non-sense.

But for fun, if those numbers are correct, than I would say there is something seriously wrong with the training department. Maybe it is the instructors that need to be evaluated.

I am pretty sure I would have been fired from my instructing job if I could only get half of my students through.
 
FOrever85 said:
I am pretty sure I would have been fired from my instructing job if I could only get half of my students through.
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One of the truest things ever said on FI.com.

There isn't a lot of accountability in either training dept. At my airline within Pinnacolaba, when one hears of another failing a sim event, the same Instructor names keep coming up. Where's the standardization in that? The mgmt sides of our training & standards departments don't get it.
 
altimaklr said:
The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.
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sounds like a problem with the training dept itself. from what I understand there is a one size fits all mentality there. they have been upgrading buys with3-4000 hours in the jet for the past 10 years and are expecting guys who have never flown the aircraft to be on that level.

if 5 out of 11 guys are not making it through testing then obviously the training is not preparing them for the testing.
 
Pinnacle's training is the same as every other airlines, if you study hard and have a good attitude you will do fine, simple as that.
 
suupah said:
sounds like a problem with the training dept itself. from what I understand there is a one size fits all mentality there. they have been upgrading buys with3-4000 hours in the jet for the past 10 years and are expecting guys who have never flown the aircraft to be on that level.

if 5 out of 11 guys are not making it through testing then obviously the training is not preparing them for the testing.
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Just wait till some of the 4-5 year jet FO's start upgrading to the Q400, talk about asses n elbows....lol
 

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