Colgan parking Saabs?

[bri5150]

It's probably good you didn't come to the jet yet, considering the astronomical failure rate the Saab people are having lately.

Hmmmm, I am in training now and certainly nobody in my class is having anything near any trouble. Our instructor also said he was impressed with the amount of information we were learning compared to his previous 9E classes. There has been no talk about "astronomical failure rates" which I would hope be discussed if they were having problems.

All that being said, this training program is a piece of crap. 75% of our learning is done outside training hours and from the Mesaba 200 powerpoints we look at on our own. But, it is what it is. Get through training and then try to improve things from the inside I guess.

 

[altimaklr]

The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.

 

[SEVEN]

The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.

Just because someone gets a "pink" slip on a type ride or needs a few more hours of OE, doesn't mean they're "lost." You make it sound like almost 50% are not even able to make it through to the line. I find that hard to believe.

 

[bri5150]

The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.

You may be right, but our ground instructor doesn't even have that informatiin. That is sad in its own right if what you say is true. We would hate to learn from others mistakes .

 

[FOrever85]

The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.

I'm sure this is more of your made-up "I hate everyone not 9E
" non-sense.

But for fun, if those numbers are correct, than I would say there is something seriously wrong with the training department. Maybe it is the instructors that need to be evaluated.

I am pretty sure I would have been fired from my instructing job if I could only get half of my students through.

 

[Snaab]

I am pretty sure I would have been fired from my instructing job if I could only get half of my students through.

One of the truest things ever said on FI.com.

There isn't a lot of accountability in either training dept. At my airline within Pinnacolaba, when one hears of another failing a sim event, the same Instructor names keep coming up. Where's the standardization in that? The mgmt sides of our training & standards departments don't get it.

 

[suupah]

The previous class that I'm aware of lost 5 out of 11, mostly in the sim and OE.

sounds like a problem with the training dept itself. from what I understand there is a one size fits all mentality there. they have been upgrading buys with3-4000 hours in the jet for the past 10 years and are expecting guys who have never flown the aircraft to be on that level.

if 5 out of 11 guys are not making it through testing then obviously the training is not preparing them for the testing.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Pinnacle's training is the same as every other airlines, if you study hard and have a good attitude you will do fine, simple as that.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

sounds like a problem with the training dept itself. from what I understand there is a one size fits all mentality there. they have been upgrading buys with3-4000 hours in the jet for the past 10 years and are expecting guys who have never flown the aircraft to be on that level.

if 5 out of 11 guys are not making it through testing then obviously the training is not preparing them for the testing.

Just wait till some of the 4-5 year jet FO's start upgrading to the Q400, talk about asses n elbows....lol

 

[Kaman]

I think the cRJ to Q transition will be pretty easycompared to Q or CRJ FO to SAAB Captain...yikes

 

[Flyer1015]

Just because someone gets a "pink" slip on a type ride or needs a few more hours of OE, doesn't mean they're "lost." You make it sound like almost 50% are not even able to make it through to the line. I find that hard to believe.

SEVEN, did you bust your type ride? Uh oh!

 

[altimaklr]

Nevermind

 

[i fly boxes]

IT will be very hard to upgrade to the q 400 in the future when we don't have any because we got rid of them all!!!!

 

[altimaklr]

From what I heard, that is basically the proposition the company is giving UACO. Either give more money/expansion on the Q400 fleet, and ditch the saabs... Or 9E will ditch those planes and the entire contract via bankruptcy. Delta ops are not the root of the financial problems.

 

[snap145]

I think the cRJ to Q transition will be pretty easycompared to Q or CRJ FO to SAAB Captain...yikes

YIKES...you must have forgotten were not allowed to bid Saab captain...I think an angel gets its wings everytime you fly that Saab...

per your previous post...I do hope we fly together someday...im sure youll be the PIC and ill be your little gear bitch....despite the fact that im probably senior to you...

 

[Kaman]

YIKES...you must have forgotten were not allowed to bid Saab captain...I think an angel gets its wings everytime you fly that Saab...

per your previous post...I do hope we fly together someday...im sure youll be the PIC and ill be your little gear bitch....despite the fact that im probably senior to you...

More likely, I will be teaching your ground school...I am full-time in the trng. dept. so rarely fly the line anymore, but I'll swing gear for ya' anytime...I wasn't referring to seniority issues, but I was originally hired here in June 04'...JU guys going to the SAAB does sound like giid entertainment in the sim though!

 

[SEVEN]

SEVEN, did you bust your type ride? Uh oh!

No Bust. Haven't started sims yet. Nice try though. See you in DTW soon.... I'll be the guy with black pants/blazer and a blue trenchcoat.

 

[bri5150]

No Bust. Haven't started sims yet. Nice try though. See you in DTW soon.... I'll be the guy with black pants/blazer and a blue trenchcoat.

I'll be the guy in full blues because my uniform hasn't shown up yet even though I ordered it right away when they asked us to. Add in the time it will take to reorder because nobody told us to order 2 sizes too big, and I should be in blues for another 6 months or so. That should be nice.

 

[silver02ex]

No Bust. Haven't started sims yet. Nice try though. See you in DTW soon.... I'll be the guy with black pants/blazer and a blue trenchcoat.

And a Pinnacle ID.... I'll bet it hurts doesn't it?

 

[Flyer1015]

No Bust. Haven't started sims yet. Nice try though. See you in DTW soon.... I'll be the guy with black pants/blazer and a blue trenchcoat.

I thought you were a MSP guy? Are you now gonna commute to DTW? I feel bad for anyone on that commute. Very hard, and many times the best option is to two-leg it through Green Bay, Appleton, MKE.