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dpneedham said:
Today, it is a very valid question as to whether or not any union has your best interests at heart.
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Me Me Me!!!

What about the best interests of the profession? Or is it only all about you...

I see you never spoke of management... you know the Enrons....etc....

Yeah its all labors fault....
 
dpneedham said:
American Unions are the reason so many corporations are outsourcing to the third world.
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Do you have a reference, or did you just pull that out of your ass?
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Me Me Me!!!

What about the best interests of the profession? Or is it only all about you...

I see you never spoke of management... you know the Enrons....etc....

Yeah its all labors fault....
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was a union involved? could they have done anything????? didnt think so.
 
how dare you speak against the mighty union!

doing so will bring their wrath upon you!

jumpseats will be denied, jobs will be denied, YOU will be denied....join them OR ELSE!!!

[SIZE=-1]RESISTANCE IS FUTILE, YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED[/SIZE]!
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Becuase you have no objective safety structure in place. No one to tell the company...' no, that is unsafe...we don't operate jets like that..'

Becuase you no have no code of ethics... A profession requires it.

Because your payrates are based on union contracts.

Because changes happen nationally and internationally that effect you yet you have no say.

This isn't new information.. you and your kind just choose to ignore it when using logic to consider the consequences of your action...

Like most ALPA members as well.. you are only thinking about you. A selfish action....
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So, the only reason you have these things is because some union "negotiated" them for you? Does that mean that, if not for your union, you would not have the balls to stand up and do what is right? Without a union you would fly a plane that otherwise you would reject? You don't have your own code of ethics so you rely on a union to give you one? Will you only stand up for what is right as long as it is no skin off your own a$$? If so, you are more spineless than anyone who voted no to ALPA. I do not need the backing a union before I will do what is right.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
Me Me Me!!!

What about the best interests of the profession? Or is it only all about you...

I see you never spoke of management... you know the Enrons....etc....

Yeah its all labors fault....
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Rez, it's time for a change within the Unions. ALPA is a hurry up and do nothing, white collar Union. As one of the other members on here posted...20+ years working on the issues of crew rest and fatigue while having "meetings" in Vancouver?!? I support the American Pilots for dumping the higher ups in their Union...of course they are a smaller Union and can get things done much quicker. That's not the case with big, fat, bloated ALPA.
 
From a debate standpoint Rez is handing you your a$$'s. He refutes every statement with facts, he makes statements that are fact based, and the best response babbles something about Vancouver, and, "I make 6 figures a year."

So how did Skywest help with getting the Jumpseat back?? Other than be happy to have it back.

How did Skywest pilots help with the FFDO program? Other than have a few pilots become a FFDO's.

How did Skywest help with the creation of the current ASAP program?

Those are just three things that non-union carriers enjoy having access to and did nothing to help put them in place.

How much money did that Skywest Captain spend out of his own pocket to get his job back after being wrongfully terminated?

Ya, ALPA is far from perfect. However, this industry would be nowhere near as safe and fair as it is now without their existence PERIOD
 
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Rez O. Lewshun said:
Me Me Me!!!

What about the best interests of the profession? Or is it only all about you...

I see you never spoke of management... you know the Enrons....etc....

Yeah its all labors fault....
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Reference the argument going on about age 60: whose best interests are being followed here? In an imaginary world, utilitarianism would flourish, and we would all act in the best interests of the group. Reality, however, dictates that the best interests of the people in charge of the group are being followed. Don't feed me the line about how it is inevitable and the union is just trying to have a say in its execution. Strength in numbers hasn't prevented furloughs, paycuts, management raiding the company for every penny, majors whipsawing regionals against one-another, career stagnation in progression from the regional level (remember, major pilots didn't WANT the tiny jet, or more accurately, the tiny pay that the company was offering on it). Yay, you got CASS. I think that every pilot in every group considering a union or participating in a union has every right to ask what their union is doing for them RIGHT NOW, because as they say in the financial world, past performance is no guarantee of future returns. Its easy to blame ALPA's crushing defeats at SkyWest and Colgan on those selfish bratty newhires dreaming of their shiny fourth stripe, but perhaps it's a vote of no-confidence.
 
T-prop said:
From a debate standpoint Rez is handing you your a$$'s. He refutes every statement with facts, he makes statements that are fact based, and the best response babbles something about Vancouver, and, "I make 6 figures a year."

So how did Skywest help with getting the Jumpseat back?? Other than be happy to have it back.

How did Skywest pilots help with the FFDO program? Other than have a few pilots become a FFDO's.

How did Skywest help with the creation of the current ASAP program?

Those are just three things that non-union carriers enjoy having access to and did nothing to help put them in place.

How much money did that Skywest Captain spend out of his own pocket to get his job back after being wrongfully terminated?

Ya, ALPA is far from perfect. However, this industry would be nowhere near as safe and fair as it is now without their existence PERIOD
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How do you like flossing with Rez's pubes?
 
Spicepilots said:
. I think that every pilot in every group considering a union or participating in a union has every right to ask what their union is doing for them RIGHT NOW.
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How demanding... I think every pilot in every union has the right to ask... What I am doing for the union?

If you ask... What is the union doing for them right now? Who is the union? Who is doing what? You want to know....RIGHT NOW?

Secondary cockpit barriers

MANPADS

Open Skies/Foreign Control

Contam Runways

FMLA legisaltion for crews

Security Access

and on and on.....
 
A vote of No Confidence in ALPA is a vote for pilots
 
Sorry Doug, did I offend you with logic?
 
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7DustFan

BullSh*t Bro!!! I was there 8 years and did not earn 6 figs. You must be some training b*tch with no QOL.
 

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