Colgan Air absorbing Express jet routes in saab 200

[007]

Sad really,

You guys are so excited that Express might go down the sh..ter in the next 2 yrs, why is that????

Are we really that bad?

Or is it just our turn...

 

[Master Shake]

Sad really,You guys are so excited that Express might go down the sh..ter in the next 2 yrs, why is that????Are we really that bad?Or is it just our turn...

007-If you worked for Colgate, wouldn't you want to believe this steaming pile of poo?

 

[white knuckle]

Atr

Regarding the ASA ATR-72 speculation; I spoke to an ATL based ASA mech. on a disabled ASA ATR incident that advised the ATR's are still w/ delta (since ASA was a subsid.) and were not part of the SkyWest purchase which I thought was interesting. So Delta owns turboprops!

 

[bmpilot2003]

What is the expiration date on the Co-Ex contract?

 

[Prop2Jet]

rumors and rumors and more rumors....

 

[Truckdriver]

What is the expiration date on the Co-Ex contract?

2015 and it is renewable to 2030. As of now we are the exclusive provider of small jet service to CAL in their hubs. They can use whoever or whatever they want if it isn't a 50 seat jet right now. If they want a 50-seat jet used in a hub, it has to be done by XJT. In Jan 2007 that exclusive 50-seat jet provision expires. So in a year, if CAL decides they want to use someone other than XJT in the hubs, they can. Most likely, any incrimental growth of 50-seat jets in the hubs after 2006 will not go to XJT. XJT will probably not lose flying, they just won't gain any. How many more 50-seat jets does CAL need in the hubs, probably not many. I don't think the market for 50-seat jets is growing very rapidly right now and CAL has said repeatedly they don't need 70-seaters and if they do, the scope at CAL requires them to be flown by mainline pilots. I don't think XJT has much to worry about other than possibly losing a small amount of growth to someone. You won't see us parking airplanes and furloughing anytime soon. Still hiring over 45 per month for the forseeable future.

 

[ATRCA]

2015 and it is renewable to 2030. As of now we are the exclusive provider of small jet service to CAL in their hubs. They can use whoever or whatever they want if it isn't a 50 seat jet right now. If they want a 50-seat jet used in a hub, it has to be done by XJT. In Jan 2007 that exclusive 50-seat jet provision expires. So in a year, if CAL decides they want to use someone other than XJT in the hubs, they can. Most likely, any incrimental growth of 50-seat jets in the hubs after 2006 will not go to XJT. XJT will probably not lose flying, they just won't gain any. How many more 50-seat jets does CAL need in the hubs, probably not many. I don't think the market for 50-seat jets is growing very rapidly right now and CAL has said repeatedly they don't need 70-seaters and if they do, the scope at CAL requires them to be flown by mainline pilots. I don't think XJT has much to worry about other than possibly losing a small amount of growth to someone. You won't see us parking airplanes and furloughing anytime soon. Still hiring over 45 per month for the forseeable future.

Actually, during the negotiations at CAL for their recent concessions they (the pilots) now own all flying over 50 seat for CAL including turbo prop flying so I doubt we'll see any new larger contract flying here.

 

[Truckdriver]

Actually, during the negotiations at CAL for their recent concessions they (the pilots) now own all flying over 50 seat for CAL including turbo prop flying so I doubt we'll see any new larger contract flying here.

I didn't know it included turbo-prop flying. I thought it was just jet flying over 50-seats, but I could be wrong. I doubt we'll see much new contract flying at all at CAL. The need for more than 274 50-seat jets is probably minimal and any larger jets will go to mainline. Due to the economies of scale, common fleet type, and spreading of costs within the holdings company (Wing, paint, MX operations, contract training, etc.), I think XJT will be able to compete on block hour costs with MESA. We may not be able to hold the 10-12% profit margin, but we'll be able to beat out MESA or SKYW if any flying comes up for bid. All of this exclusivity clause hype is being created so the pilots will get scared and accept PBS.

 

[suupah]

Does anyone know when Colgans contract is up with USAIR?

 

[beechcowboy]

I have recently been told that Colgan Air will be absorbing Express Jet routes in a cost saving measure by Continetal. The Saab 2000 will be taking over a number of routes out of IAH and CLE which were formerly express jet routes. The Saab 2000 operated by Colgan Air will operate at have the cost of Express and will be moving 50 seats. Plan to see this fiscal Q3 of 2006. Also, Colgan Air will be buying up Bankrupt mesaba's SF340s in a continuing effort to expand the Colgan Air cost saving fleet and to improve fleet commonality.

I spoke with the CEO's of every major Regional last week, and they exclusively ensured me that all airlines will soon be owned by Colgan Air. You see, every week, they call me personally to ask my opinion of how the airline industry should be run, then they tell me all their inside marketing secrets so that I can share it with all of you. All tail liveries for the former Delta, US Airways, United, Northwest, and oh yes Continental... will be retired in favor of a new Colgan family portrait. All flights operated by the newly created Colgan Air will have a full buffet, and for your inflight entertainment, forget this satellite TV stuff; Colgan will offer a live belly dance show from a selected family member. Once a week, all "heavier" passengers will get to be counted as half weights, just to make them feel more welcome. This is all completely true, trust me. I heard it straight from the mouths of the airline execs. Oops, my fault, I mean I heard it from a mechanic.... or was it his sister's brother's uncle's daughter who lives in a Turkish prison?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Here's the ignorant element to this thread. Why would Colgan purchase the Saab 2000 instead of using jets for these routes? (company policy against them or what!!) I know operating costs weigh down on all of this.

Well, I don't know about Colgan or the Saab 2000, but it makes no sense to put a turbofan on the IAH-BPT, IAH-CLL, or the IAH-CRP route. The IAH-BPT run is 30 minutes at 6000 going and 5000 coming. Plus, ExpressJet has cut this route down to 3 daily departures. Skywest and now Colgan are already running part of this route with a prop. At some point you have to look at the money you're burning out the tailpipe and come up with something better.

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[Paris]

Why is it that anyone saying CAL isn't happy about Colgan's service has a E145 in their profile? You guys getting briefed by mainline now? Did they brief you on who would be taking your flying in 07 yet?

 

[pilotkppsg]

I have recently been told that Colgan Air will be absorbing Express Jet routes in a cost saving measure by Continetal. The Saab 2000 will be taking over a number of routes out of IAH and CLE which were formerly express jet routes. The Saab 2000 operated by Colgan Air will operate at have the cost of Express and will be moving 50 seats. Plan to see this fiscal Q3 of 2006. Also, Colgan Air will be buying up Bankrupt mesaba's SF340s in a continuing effort to expand the Colgan Air cost saving fleet and to improve fleet commonality.

See, this is where crack smoking and flying do not mix: Colgan? Taking our routes......hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah right, Sometimes I wonder why we even bother giving them those little fartknocker routes in the Saabs. As much as they have problems, I've heard more than one of the higher ups say they'd like to axe Colgan.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Hey PILOTK!

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[GEORGE DUBYA]

I agree prop Texas does suck really hard. It is hot and the people are stupid and wear stupid hats. They think bullriding is a sport lol. Oh and their steak sucks.

 

[ATLplt]

Fartknocker?? Are you serious?? It's amazing how everyone on this board seems to know a CAL exec, and even more amazing that the execs. tell some random douchebag that they aren't happy with one of their service providers.

It's also funny how the XJET guys get so defensive when anything bad is said about their airline, while the Colgan guys usually just play along. Are you really that proud that you're flying for a regional? The goal is to get the time, get out, and fly something not made in Brazil or Sweeden. Some of you are missing the point. Keep arguing about the stupid 2000. It will never get here, and we'll still be flying to the same destinations in the 340.

 

[Cadillac]

ATLplt,

Yes, many of Expressjet's pilots do get defensive when bad/inaccurate things are said about their airline. It's an interesting thing called pride. Attitudes like yours of get in, get your time, get out are a major contributing factor to why this whole profession is in the dumpster. If people did not jump at the first scumbag airline *cough*MESA*cough*cough* that hired them and waited 2 more weeks to get hired at the higher end regionals, then we wouldn't see half the whip-sawing we do. Not working for crud wages/working conditions sends a message to management that they need to bring their contracts up to scale, instead of bragging about their "competitive cost structure."

But it won't happen until some miracle arises and supply of idots stops popping out of pilot-factories ready to "get their time" on their way to that job at united. I suggest 135 hiring mins at the 121 level to put a dent in it.

 

[MINIME]

We all need to wake up and smell the new realities of the industry! Judging from what has happened at Air Wisky, Comair and probably others, nothing and I mean nothing... is far fetched. Prepare, prepare, prepare cause walmartization of this industry seems to be the new hot item. I truly believe, that no matter where you're sitting right now, this trend could, might and probably will affect you.

 

[updraft]

looks like the industry is stepping backwards. going back to turboprops because of gas prices.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Colgan? Taking our routes......hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah right, Sometimes I wonder why we even bother giving them those little fartknocker routes in the Saabs.

Wow everybody it's Larry Kellner! That sure was mighty nice of you to give Colgan some routes!

Also, where have you been? Skywest and now Colgan HAS taken many routes we used to do in the jet.

 

[ATRedneck]

No Steve is a fine lad and all but I'm not him. We just happen to have similar admiration for the old ATR. I think anyone who has actully flown the airplane will share our enthusiasm.

Straight up, G-money!

ATR drivaz forever, beeyotch! imp:

 

[ATLplt]

High end regional? Is that like the Escort with the CD changer and sunroof vs. the one with just the cassette? I believe they still call both an Escort.

The reason for my earlier message was to point out the ostentatious attitude of some of your fellow pilots. I jump on Xjet all the time and have met some extremely nice people with great attitudes. I also remember a flight where the Capt. at the gate started bad mouthing Colgan and asked if I knew that Xjet was hiring. Pretty freaking arrogant if you ask me. I smiled, thanked him for the ride, and went on my way. A ride home was more important than arguing about his lack of class.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Skywest and now Colgan HAS taken many routes we used to do in the jet.

...just like EJ have taken routes "they" (Continental) used to do in larger airplanes. So I guess you've taken flying from Continental pilots.

Actually, Colgan, Skywest, Commutair and EJ didn't "take" anything, Continental assigned the flying. The only entity that "owns" the flying is Continental and they can spread it around as they choose.

 

[Mr Wu]

If people did not jump at the first scumbag airline *cough*MESA*cough*cough* that hired them and waited 2 more weeks to get hired at the higher end regionals, then we wouldn't see half the whip-sawing we do.

But it won't happen until some miracle arises and supply of idots stops popping out of pilot-factories ready to "get their time" on their way to that job at united. I suggest 135 hiring mins at the 121 level to put a dent in it.

You assclown. XJ was one of the first to drop their mins to 600/100 for people coming from pilot mills.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

...just like EJ have taken routes "they" (Continental) used to do in larger airplanes. So I guess you've taken flying from Continental pilots.

Actually, Colgan, Skywest, Commutair and EJ didn't "take" anything, Continental assigned the flying. The only entity that "owns" the flying is Continental and they can spread it around as they choose.

Obviously you missed the whole tone of my post. My whole point is that they aren't OUR routes in the first place. They are routes we used to do, now done by someone else. Notice how I said they have taken routes we used to do-not OUR routes. It cracks me up how many of my fellow pilots think we are entitled to certain flying just because we are XJT.

I'll try to be more obvious in the future for you.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Obviously you missed the whole tone of my post. My whole point is that they aren't OUR routes in the first place. They are routes we used to do, now done by someone else.

Yep, I did miss the tone. I wasn't attacking you, in case you missed MY tone.

 

[PilotSkyBlue]

The goal is to get the time, get out, and fly something not made in Brazil or Sweeden.

That has to be the all time greatest quote i've seen on here.

 

[suupah]

High end regional? Is that like the Escort with the CD changer and sunroof vs. the one with just the cassette? I believe they still call both an Escort.

The reason for my earlier message was to point out the ostentatious attitude of some of your fellow pilots. I jump on Xjet all the time and have met some extremely nice people with great attitudes. I also remember a flight where the Capt. at the gate started bad mouthing Colgan and asked if I knew that Xjet was hiring. Pretty freaking arrogant if you ask me. I smiled, thanked him for the ride, and went on my way. A ride home was more important than arguing about his lack of class.

Yeah I have experienced similar treatment by shuttle pilots and some mainline pilots. But for the most part the mainline guys are alot more polite then the regional guys. I think many of them made their bones in a TP flying through crappy weather by hand.

 

[DX Rick]

Is Colgan buying ALL the Saab 2000's that Chicago Express was in line to buy?

 

[Cadillac]

GrnClvrs,

I like your avatar.




Oh, and if you insult me again I'm gonna drill two holes in your d i c k . So that when you take a piss, it will go in all different directions.