Colgan Air absorbing Express jet routes in saab 200

[MECH]

This rumor is based on some fact!

CAL replaced SKYW becuase they were unwilling to get a new fleet type. CAL would like a 50 seat turbo prop. Some thing like a ATR or DASH. Colgan was willing to get a larger turbo prop.

With SKYW buying ASA, they now own ATR's. So there is a chance they will operate them for CAL again. Currently CAL is not happy with the service provided by Colgan.

 

[Al Coholic]

Currently CAL is not happy with the service provided by Colgan.

Has anyone ever been happy with the service provided by Colgan? Yet, they continue to grow and grow... Kind of like that wart on the side of Mike's face....

 

[Lone Star]

Mesa is only using IAH until the ERJs are out of CLT. Then the CRJs will move over from IAH to CLT.

 

[Mookie]

Very interesting theory about ASA...I never thought of that...

Oh well, I still love the fact that the weight restrictions on the slaab are worse than the emb's they replaced.

Mookie

 

[Prop2Jet]

I love this thread.... How much more speculation can we stir up over the initial post by George who by the way posts this stuff to get a rise out of people! Job well done George! Hey next thread should be "why is paying for training bad?" hahhahahhah

FLy safe and thanks for the entertainment again!

P2J

 

[WSurf]

There are a pair of Saab 2000's sitting in CLT everyonce in awhile! Some NASCAR racing team owns them! Nice looking Airplanes!
But if a regional was gonna start buying Cabin Class airplanes (TurbProps) ... Well, I would go for the Dash Q Series... Or the ATR's!!

 

[ATRCA]

ATR Biiiiiiiooooooooootttttttttccccccccccchhhhhhhhh!!

 

[erj-145mech]

ATR Biiiiiiiooooooooootttttttttccccccccccchhhhhhhhh!!

Is this McPickles alter ego?

 

[CA1900]

I heard CAL mgmt is not happy with Colgan in IAH. The rumor is that SKW will be back in bed with CAL by end of 06. Keep in mind CAL came to SKW a year or 2 ago trying to nego a deal for IAH feed. Something to think about.

They came to CommutAir first! Something else to think about.

 

[ATRCA]

Is this McPickles alter ego?

No Steve is a fine lad and all but I'm not him. We just happen to have similar admiration for the old ATR. I think anyone who has actully flown the airplane will share our enthusiasm.

Yes........no..........

 

[007]

Sad really,

You guys are so excited that Express might go down the sh..ter in the next 2 yrs, why is that????

Are we really that bad?

Or is it just our turn...

 

[Master Shake]

Sad really,You guys are so excited that Express might go down the sh..ter in the next 2 yrs, why is that????Are we really that bad?Or is it just our turn...

007-If you worked for Colgate, wouldn't you want to believe this steaming pile of poo?

 

[white knuckle]

Atr

Regarding the ASA ATR-72 speculation; I spoke to an ATL based ASA mech. on a disabled ASA ATR incident that advised the ATR's are still w/ delta (since ASA was a subsid.) and were not part of the SkyWest purchase which I thought was interesting. So Delta owns turboprops!

 

[bmpilot2003]

What is the expiration date on the Co-Ex contract?

 

[Prop2Jet]

rumors and rumors and more rumors....

 

[Truckdriver]

What is the expiration date on the Co-Ex contract?

2015 and it is renewable to 2030. As of now we are the exclusive provider of small jet service to CAL in their hubs. They can use whoever or whatever they want if it isn't a 50 seat jet right now. If they want a 50-seat jet used in a hub, it has to be done by XJT. In Jan 2007 that exclusive 50-seat jet provision expires. So in a year, if CAL decides they want to use someone other than XJT in the hubs, they can. Most likely, any incrimental growth of 50-seat jets in the hubs after 2006 will not go to XJT. XJT will probably not lose flying, they just won't gain any. How many more 50-seat jets does CAL need in the hubs, probably not many. I don't think the market for 50-seat jets is growing very rapidly right now and CAL has said repeatedly they don't need 70-seaters and if they do, the scope at CAL requires them to be flown by mainline pilots. I don't think XJT has much to worry about other than possibly losing a small amount of growth to someone. You won't see us parking airplanes and furloughing anytime soon. Still hiring over 45 per month for the forseeable future.

 

[ATRCA]

2015 and it is renewable to 2030. As of now we are the exclusive provider of small jet service to CAL in their hubs. They can use whoever or whatever they want if it isn't a 50 seat jet right now. If they want a 50-seat jet used in a hub, it has to be done by XJT. In Jan 2007 that exclusive 50-seat jet provision expires. So in a year, if CAL decides they want to use someone other than XJT in the hubs, they can. Most likely, any incrimental growth of 50-seat jets in the hubs after 2006 will not go to XJT. XJT will probably not lose flying, they just won't gain any. How many more 50-seat jets does CAL need in the hubs, probably not many. I don't think the market for 50-seat jets is growing very rapidly right now and CAL has said repeatedly they don't need 70-seaters and if they do, the scope at CAL requires them to be flown by mainline pilots. I don't think XJT has much to worry about other than possibly losing a small amount of growth to someone. You won't see us parking airplanes and furloughing anytime soon. Still hiring over 45 per month for the forseeable future.

Actually, during the negotiations at CAL for their recent concessions they (the pilots) now own all flying over 50 seat for CAL including turbo prop flying so I doubt we'll see any new larger contract flying here.

 

[Truckdriver]

Actually, during the negotiations at CAL for their recent concessions they (the pilots) now own all flying over 50 seat for CAL including turbo prop flying so I doubt we'll see any new larger contract flying here.

I didn't know it included turbo-prop flying. I thought it was just jet flying over 50-seats, but I could be wrong. I doubt we'll see much new contract flying at all at CAL. The need for more than 274 50-seat jets is probably minimal and any larger jets will go to mainline. Due to the economies of scale, common fleet type, and spreading of costs within the holdings company (Wing, paint, MX operations, contract training, etc.), I think XJT will be able to compete on block hour costs with MESA. We may not be able to hold the 10-12% profit margin, but we'll be able to beat out MESA or SKYW if any flying comes up for bid. All of this exclusivity clause hype is being created so the pilots will get scared and accept PBS.

 

[suupah]

Does anyone know when Colgans contract is up with USAIR?

 

[beechcowboy]

I have recently been told that Colgan Air will be absorbing Express Jet routes in a cost saving measure by Continetal. The Saab 2000 will be taking over a number of routes out of IAH and CLE which were formerly express jet routes. The Saab 2000 operated by Colgan Air will operate at have the cost of Express and will be moving 50 seats. Plan to see this fiscal Q3 of 2006. Also, Colgan Air will be buying up Bankrupt mesaba's SF340s in a continuing effort to expand the Colgan Air cost saving fleet and to improve fleet commonality.

I spoke with the CEO's of every major Regional last week, and they exclusively ensured me that all airlines will soon be owned by Colgan Air. You see, every week, they call me personally to ask my opinion of how the airline industry should be run, then they tell me all their inside marketing secrets so that I can share it with all of you. All tail liveries for the former Delta, US Airways, United, Northwest, and oh yes Continental... will be retired in favor of a new Colgan family portrait. All flights operated by the newly created Colgan Air will have a full buffet, and for your inflight entertainment, forget this satellite TV stuff; Colgan will offer a live belly dance show from a selected family member. Once a week, all "heavier" passengers will get to be counted as half weights, just to make them feel more welcome. This is all completely true, trust me. I heard it straight from the mouths of the airline execs. Oops, my fault, I mean I heard it from a mechanic.... or was it his sister's brother's uncle's daughter who lives in a Turkish prison?