Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[ksu_aviator]

I just saw an NTSB report on TV. Forgive me if this has already been posted.

According to the NTSB, the aircraft went into a series of "sever pitch and roll excursions within seconds of the 'Flaps 15' command."

Not speculating, but this does sound eerily similar to the problems the ATR had back in the day.

 

[ultrarunner]

While boots have been reliable over the decades, I sure don't miss them. And I have to admit after 20+ years of flying in the great-lakes region, there is a certain amount of comfort knowing I got a crap-load of hot air pumping through the leading edges!

 

[Erlanger]

Regardless of the aircraft you fly, here's a free course from NASA about icing. It might be a good idea for all of us to take it.

http://aircrafticing.grc.nasa.gov/courses_inflight.html

 

[satpak77]

while there is some sentiment to wait till the final report, don't speculate, I don't disagree, however I believe that this unfortunate accident can serve as a trigger event to discuss icing and get our gears turning.

Sometimes the cobwebs build up and things like this serve to clean them out.

just my two cents

I can guarantee you that all day today and yesterday (last night) I have been reading "flying in icing" articles. Would I have read them anyway? Probably not. Hey, being honest.

Lets have some good come out of something bad.

 

[brokedash]

Quit watching CNN! That network is pathetic. Only MSNBC is worse. Fox news has much better reporting. They've covered this tragedy with a least some intelligent reporting.

Fox News= Brain Wash Clearing House for the far right.

Sympathies to all affected by this tragic accident.

 

[Mach]

Regardless of the aircraft you fly, here's a free course from NASA about icing. It might be a good idea for all of us to take it.

[URL]http://aircrafticing.grc.nasa.gov/courses_inflight.html[/URL]

That is a really good course. Some good reminders.

 

[SLUF4]

You're right about the CRJ tail..I had a bad ice encounter last year for only a few minutes and diverted to our alternate over a hundred miles away. after landing we still had a crapload of ice on the tail. That didn't make me feel too good about their theories, but supposedly the CRJ can still fly ok with a certain amount on the tail.

 

[Erlanger]

NTSB gives briefing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29186499#29186499

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Why are pilots surpised and disapointed when the news media is inaccurate... their audience isn't pilots.

Quit looking for public and external validation....

 

[Willydogg]

I flew for Colgan for 6 years and left not too long ago. I'm sure many things have changed since they sold out to Pinnacle, but the thing I never forget was the great people I got to fly with every day. Didn't know the crew, but I feel like I just lost a part of my family. My condolences to everyone @ Colgan and the families of those on the plane.

 

[atrdriver]

Why are pilots surpised and disapointed when the news media is inaccurate... their audience isn't pilots.

Quit looking for public and external validation....

Maybe because their JOB is to accurately report the news. In the past that was done by either educating themselves or finding someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Sad that you apologize
for people who make a mockery of their chosen profession.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Maybe because their JOB is to accurately report the news. In the past that was done by either educating themselves or finding someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Sad that you apologize
for people who make a mockery of their chosen profession.

I won't defend sloppy reporting, but it should be noted that even the NTSB spokesman, being very careful not to analyze anything, made factual errors in his briefing and didn't have information at his fingertips about things he might have been expected to.

I think mistakes are bound to happen and the clamoring for information is part of human nature. We should all realize that the first 48 hours after an accident is full-on silly season in terms of the speculation that goes on in the media. Folks that are very sensitive to reporters and analysts making mistakes should probably stay away from the boob-tube until things settle down a little.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

That didn't make me feel too good about their theories, but supposedly the CRJ can still fly ok with a certain amount on the tail.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with ya, but the difference is the trimmable horizontal stabilizer. An inverted fixed tailplane like most turboprops have are much more susceptible/sensitive to asymmetric icing. If it makes you feel any better the Boeings don't have it either.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe because their JOB is to accurately report the news. In the past that was done by either educating themselves or finding someone who actually knows what they are talking about. Sad that you apologize
for people who make a mockery of their chosen profession.

Nice try.... all I advocate is the truth and not putting too much time and effort into anything otherwise....

 

[Hobit]

Oreilly and Geraldo sat and spoke about pilot experience as if it were a cause for the crash like they were seasoned NTSB accident investigators.

Wow. What tools. Trashing two souls before they are even put to rest.

You can't trust any news outlet anymore.

If I were elloquent enough I would 'pen' a "PITHY" letter to billy-boy to shut his pie hole until the pro's tell him what happened. And kindly keep geraldo looking for jimmy hoffa's grave.

Am I more angry at them for their lack of class or myself for expecting something different?!!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

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[atrdriver]

Nice try.... all I advocate is the truth and not putting too much time and effort into anything otherwise....

And yet you defend their sloppy work, and post crap continuously that exemplifies it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And yet you defend their sloppy work, and post crap continuously that exemplifies it.

Keeping mind our fallen brothers and sisters.....

 

[memooch]

May God bless and comfort all the families and friends.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Just heard the NTSB IIC reaffirm the crew retracted the flaps and gear after the loss of control. Good on them, they worked up until the end. God bless them. That hit me suddenly.