Coke

[400A]

Hey, any of you G-Drivers out there looking for work, Coke is looking for a Captain. It is on their website and Avcrew.com

Good Luck

400A

 

[sleepy]

I doubt if there are very many that meet their qualification requirements.

 

[2000flyer]

It's been advertised for some time now. I'm surprised it was on avcrew. I talked to one of their pilot's after the last round of hiring and he said once it hit the internet "employment" sights, they got flooded with enough emails to shut down their servers for two days. Somewhere in the vicinity of 3000 resumes in one day.

Last group hired (2002 or 2003) had two with less than 1200TT, no jet or EFIS/FMS experience.

My guess, they had already settled on a group to interview by the time it hit the net. The same pilot I talked to said they were close to an agreement with some midwest university to bring in low-timers as interns. Something like two a year. Don't know if that ever happened or not. I know the two they hired a few years ago struggled through Gulfstream initial (according to him). Several old timers not too happy about it either.

Like I said though, this intel is a couple years old and all things change one way or another.

2000Flyer

 

[AA717driver]

I was at FSI when a low timer came through. Nice person but if I'm a CEO (even at a PC-infested company like most F500 companies these days) I'm not going to be too happy about my captains having to fly the airplane AND babysit lowtimers just to make the EEOC'ers in HR happy.

Oops! Did I say that out loud?TC

 

[400A]

New Position !!!!

This thread was not intended to start the low timers at Coke debate. This was for a new spot. Posting opened 12/20/04.

Requires: 5000TT, 3000 Jet, G-Typed and 10 years international experience.

Dont think the college newbies will fit that bill. I was not looking for flame bait, just trying to help any veterans who might be out of work.

400A

 

[Gearmunky]

I was at FSI when a low timer came through. Nice person but if I'm a CEO (even at a PC-infested company like most F500 companies these days) I'm not going to be too happy about my captains having to fly the airplane AND babysit lowtimers just to make the EEOC'ers in HR happy.

Oops! Did I say that out loud?TC

Time doesn't have a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing to do with it. It's all how your trained and experience. Yeah, having a guy that has no jet, no FMS training or anything might be a problem....but what part of aircraft handling/flying involves an FMS? A beancounter who can work a TI-83 caluculator can work an FMS. Things happen faster OK, but a couple hours in the airplane will solve that.

I just started flying with a guy that has 4000+ hours and I have to babysit him (respectfully) in a Navajo!

I understand where your coming from with hiring a CFI with his/her minimum 100hrs multi time in VFR day conditions and 1100 in 172's, but what if the guy had been flying charter, built quality time, and actually has REAL exerience?

Another thing is this **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you go to my college and I'll get you a job thing. Because that stops that company from looking at every other resume. That is bull$hit! and another issue all together.

I'm not trying to start a fight at all, I see both sides but it's really irritating when people look at time on a resume and throw it out without actually reading it or knowing the guy. It's time this business let the pilots and flight departments make the decisions and not the insurance companies.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Time doesn't have a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing to do with it. It's all how your trained and experience. Yeah, having a guy that has no jet, no FMS training or anything might be a problem....but what part of aircraft handling/flying involves an FMS? A beancounter who can work a TI-83 caluculator can work an FMS. Things happen faster OK, but a couple hours in the airplane will solve that.

I just started flying with a guy that has 4000+ hours and I have to babysit him (respectfully) in a Navajo!

I understand where your coming from with hiring a CFI with his/her minimum 100hrs multi time in VFR day conditions and 1100 in 172's, but what if the guy had been flying charter, built quality time, and actually has REAL exerience?

Another thing is this **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you go to my college and I'll get you a job thing. Because that stops that company from looking at every other resume. That is bull$hit! and another issue all together.

I'm not trying to start a fight at all, I see both sides but it's really irritating when people look at time on a resume and throw it out without actually reading it or knowing the guy. It's time this business let the pilots and flight departments make the decisions and not the insurance companies.

SO the FMS means $hit 700hr boy?

Im not sure...I want someone with a little Honeywell FMS experience during the middle of the night when Mumbai changes my route in crystal clear English....

How about routing to WSSS through the Mid-East from London? I want someone with a few hours experience too...

These are probably the ops Coke deals with...

I dont think they really are looking at checking the "fly charter, babysit a guy in a Navajo, build REAL time" box..

......

 

[400A]

Bravo G200

Right on, I think Gear Monkey needs a nap..... We have heard this from him before.

 

[rice]

Time doesn't have a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing to do with it. It's all how your trained and experience. Yeah, having a guy that has no jet, no FMS training or anything might be a problem....but what part of aircraft handling/flying involves an FMS? A beancounter who can work a TI-83 caluculator can work an FMS. Things happen faster OK, but a couple hours in the airplane will solve that.

I just started flying with a guy that has 4000+ hours and I have to babysit him (respectfully) in a Navajo!

Ah, the wisdom of 700 hrs!!!! And some of that in a Navajo too!! Another 300 hrs and you'll be ready to command the space shuttle (if it ever flies again).
When I was young and inexperienced I too had a tendancy (sp) to shoot my mouth off but not quite this blatantly. A short bit of advice; sit down, shut up, build a few thousand hours, get a couple Type ratings and learn a few things before you speak of what you obviously do not know.
Harsh I know but you brought this on yourself Wonderboy.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Right on, I think Gear Monkey needs a nap..... We have heard this from him before.

I love how he has GIV time.......

.....

this is the type of guy who kills himself in someones Navajo, because..... "what does **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** time have to do with it?"..

.

 

[400A]

Lolol

Hey,,, but it looks like he is running someones radio's, and warming the right seat if someones King Air 200 also.

What a veteran. Be very careful Gearmonkey, in this business an attitude like yours will get you killed!!!! Sit back, pay your dues and learn something. NO BODY OWES YOU ANYTHING!!!!!!

Let me pass on a piece of advice that my Father who was a 35,000 hour L10-11 check airman gave me. He said "Son, the day you think your gonna crank one of these things up and not learn something, YOU ARE GONNA BUST YOUR A$$!!!"

Think about it.

 

[Gearmunky]

See here we go hot heads, I wasn't trying to get involved with all this nor will I. I was simply saying that a person shouldn't be judged by their time, but by their experience. No, I don't want to fly the shuttle or think I'm a captain (note the respectful part of what I was saying) I know my role. I have plenty of Honeywell FMS experience and at first it was a little hard and I'm still learning somethings, but being able to shoot an ILS to minimums and programming an ILS are not even related. I respect the sky and everything else within this industry and will never claim to know everything regardless of how many "thousands of hours or type ratings I have or need to have" It's that type of attitude that gets people killed.

And 400A,

I hardly ever post on this website anyway so where are you coming from?

 

[54fighting]

I was simply saying that a person shouldn't be judged by their time, but by their experience.

Umm..I'm confused. How else do you get your experience.

 

[Gearmunky]

I meant quality time, not time spent shooting the pattern in day VFR. For example military pilots are flying their high performance jets at like 300 hours all because that 300 hours is quality time and the bar was set for them higher. I'm not saying that any civilian time ranks with that intensity, but 1000 hours spent flying VFR on an IFR flight plan and 600 hours flying night freight or something in actual conditions are entirely different types of experience.

This is the point I'm trying to make

 

[400A]

Speechless

Uh,,,,,, shooting an ILS to minimums and programing the FMS ore not related!!!! Holy Crap Dude,,, In these kind of airplanes, you can't shoot an ILS to minimums if you cant run the box. You are really beginning to scare me.

I started this post to let any of the gang on this site out there that there was a good job opening, and you have turned it into some little sissy face crying session.

Dont tell us we are hotheads. You are the one that came in with all the ****CENSORED****** crap..

Again read Rice's post! That sums it up!

400A

 

[AA717driver]

400A--You are right. Sorry about going off like that. Thanks for alerting us to the job.TC

 

[Gearmunky]

Uh,,,,,, shooting an ILS to minimums and programing the FMS ore not related!!!! Holy Crap Dude,,, In these kind of airplanes, you can't shoot an ILS to minimums if you cant run the box. You are really beginning to scare me.

I started this post to let any of the gang on this site out there that there was a good job opening, and you have turned it into some little sissy face crying session.

Dont tell us we are hotheads. You are the one that came in with all the ****CENSORED****** crap..

Again read Rice's post! That sums it up!

400A

Sorry the computer censors such harsh words like d@mn I wasn't the one turning it into a crying sissy session. I was making a point that judging a pilot by his time over a job is a "Sissy face crying session" type of thing to do. It comes off as jealous that they are there and your not. You were right when you said this business doesn't owe you anything so why does everyone think that this business owes you a job because of your "thousands of hours and countless type ratings"

Lower time pilots should work harder because we realize that were lucky to be there and we know that this business doesn't owe us anything. And if you are a low time pilot and think you know everything.....we'll read about you.

And like AA717 said, thanks for the post it's nice to know all the good jobs aren't all taken up and when I do get my type and a couple thousand hours, hopefully there will still be something left.

 

[rice]

Hey Monkeyboy

I meant quality time, not time spent shooting the pattern in day VFR. For example military pilots are flying their high performance jets at like 300 hours all because that 300 hours is quality time and the bar was set for them higher. I'm not saying that any civilian time ranks with that intensity, but 1000 hours spent flying VFR on an IFR flight plan and 600 hours flying night freight or something in actual conditions are entirely different types of experience.

This is the point I'm trying to make

Okay here you go again!!!! (Speaking about what you don't know) True military guys do fly high performance aircraft with relatively low time but they just aren't given the keys to do it on their own.
When someone reports to his first squadron do you know what he's called??? An FNG (you figure it out) because everyone knows he's green and has no experience outside of the training command. Single seat guys fly with a much more experienced lead and multi-crew guys fly with an aircraft commander (pic). They sit, watch, learn, participate, and then speak.
I guarantee you that reversing that order will only destine a newby to a life of hell and little respect from his peers.
As for your freightdog analogy; hey I think flying night freight is great experience and definitely hones your scan but it has about as much to do with jet flying (domestic or int'l) as flight instructing in a C-172 does with carrier ops. ZIP, ZERO, NADA!!!!!!!! As I see it, your experience (based on your profile) gives you about 1 to 3 three tools in your toolbox. In other words, you aint got much to work with right now. But in time like the rest of us your box will be full of tools and your experience will be much broader. Just remember if you keep shooting your mouth off and never learn how to use those tools then you just become a tool yourself.

 

[Otter]

Gearmunky,

I understand your point, but I think you fail to see that of the other seasoned veterans. Different types of experience do develop pilots at varying rates of experience in varying rates of time. Thus your point, get to know the individual. However, there is sage advice from these gentlemen, it takes time with your a$$ in the breeze to develop experience with depth to handle any and all situations thrown at you. There is the difference in a wrote (spelling?) effort by a "gear monkey" no pun against your name, and an experienced pilot. Believe it or not, there are scenarios with the aircraft that are not in a checklist (not meant derogatorily, statement of fact).



The first time mother nature, an aircraft, or an a idiot in the other seat scares 10 years off your life you will understand and appreciate what is being said. Experience dictates the amount of time one sits there with a dumb or astounded look on their face prior to responding appropriately to the situation. The only (and I emphasize ONLY) thing that develops that response time is experience, and copious amounts of it.

Best,

Otter

 

[Gearmunky]

Okay here you go again!!!! (Speaking about what you don't know) True military guys do fly high performance aircraft with relatively low time but they just aren't given the keys to do it on their own.
When someone reports to his first squadron do you know what he's called??? An FNG (you figure it out) because everyone knows he's green and has no experience outside of the training command. Single seat guys fly with a much more experienced lead and multi-crew guys fly with an aircraft commander (pic). They sit, watch, learn, participate, and then speak.
I guarantee you that reversing that order will only destine a newby to a life of hell and little respect from his peers.
As for your freightdog analogy; hey I think flying night freight is great experience and definitely hones your scan but it has about as much to do with jet flying (domestic or int'l) as flight instructing in a C-172 does with carrier ops. ZIP, ZERO, NADA!!!!!!!! As I see it, your experience (based on your profile) gives you about 1 to 3 three tools in your toolbox. In other words, you aint got much to work with right now. But in time like the rest of us your box will be full of tools and your experience will be much broader. Just remember if you keep shooting your mouth off and never learn how to use those tools then you just become a tool yourself.

Rice,

Why don't you take what I'm saying rearrange it into your own words and then try and start an argument about it?

The fact of the matter is I UNDERSTAND what your saying and that's what I'm talking about. I'm not shooting my mouth off and all your are doing is looking for an argument to shoot off yours. It's all how your trained and your experience is how you should be judged not your hours.

The 4000 hour guy I fly with got his hours VFR in Alaska not talking to anyone, and flying at 500 feet. It's seat of the pants flying, but is completely different than flying in the crud, talking to the wonderful controllers around here in the northeast, and handling the a/c at the same time. (Just like carrier ops and 172's) The 1200tt guy Coke hired, could have been hired at a regional at 600hrs and built 600 more hours in jets. You don't know that so don't judge them.

As for me, I have low time but good time and I know my a/c (and the box)pretty well, but at no time will this ever account for sitting in it and building just plain ole' time. As for that it just takes that...time.

I think I've been extremely lucky and am very thankful. As a result of that, I don't judge another pilot by their time, because I don't know their backround, where they came from, or how they were trained.