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[Flyforyou]

Regardless of what another group did, we should all be proud of the Comair FA's for showing unity in a cause they believe in.

Fly

 

[gnx99]

Good job flight attendants!! I hope this kind of news will come at Mesaba soon.

Why are people getting upset at the FAs? If Comair (or Mesaba) can't survive even with the BS pay the FA's get, it's the AIRLINES fault, not the employees.

 

[spinproof]

I Am So Proud Of Our Union Group.....full Pay Till The Last Day!

Those of us that are not worthy salute you and local 513! Well done! You deserve a Battle Star! ...well at least in the same spirit!

 

[Quiet Flight]

I assume Fred B is the pres at Comair. Don't know, don't care. I will say this though: His memo makes him sound like a 2 year old. "Oh Boo Hoo, our F/A's will still be able to eat and maybe rent a place with 9 other F/A's because of that meanie judge. Boo Hoo our airline is sinking because I am a Godawful airline manager and I pinned our hopes on the damn flight attendant contract."

What a moron...

Cheers to ya F/A's!

 

[wmuflyguy]

It does look bone-headed of the Management to make the IAM and ALPA contracts with the contigency that the other groups have to sign a set amount. So they kinda screwed themselves.

So in a couple of months planes may start leaving. Oh well.... Other airlines will be hiring, and I'm fairly confident that I won't be out of work to long.

I expect an anouncement of the removal of 20 planes to force the FA's back to the bargaining table.

 

[skyslug]

Just because the judge ruled the company could not throw out the contract doesn't mean negotiations will stop. They will continue and I suspect that an agreement will be made between both sides. Just a hunch...may be a bad hunch but a hunch none the less.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Just because the judge ruled the company could not throw out the contract doesn't mean negotiations will stop. They will continue and I suspect that an agreement will be made between both sides. Just a hunch...may be a bad hunch but a hunch none the less.

I agree, I still think a deal can and will be made...but i'm an optimist.

Hell, they are buying back vacations for July and August on the pilot side.

 

[Cloudroller]

What does a Comair FA make? I was told second year was 28 an hour -tops out at 42.

 

[172driver]

The judge basically said that the company can't ask for 21% of the total labor cost reduction from 10% of the employees. He also said that the company used a fictional number of FA's (818) to arrive at the $8.9M figure. The actual number is closer to 1050. So, the actual cut would be approximately 25% more than they admitted to the court.

I have absolutely no doubt they used the same fictional accounting methods when figuring the total cuts for the pilots and mechanics. Good thing our union is watching out for us...

As I read it, the judge wants to see the company move closer to a $4-5M number, and the FA's to accept it. I think they would, but that brings up all kinds of questions regarding our givebacks. We would have to renegotiate the contingency clause in our LOA (or not), which, to Comair/Delta means more time, more money, more frustration getting us all to where they thought we would easily fall.

Scenario 2 is more likely, IMO. A quick disappearance of 20-30 airplanes to shock and awe everybody, to prove that they mean business. If that doesn't work, a slow shifting away of our flying to other companies until the FA's either settle or they are in a position to replace and liquidate us comfortably.

Scenario 3, the sale/IPO, probably will not happen now that our contract snaps back to top of the industry. The growth LOA is null and void. The Nov. LOA is on hold. Our contract should be back to an untouched state, legally. As to when the raise shows up on my paycheck...let's see what ALPA can do (not optimistic).

 

[www.]

I have absolutely no doubt they used the same fictional accounting methods when figuring the total cuts for the pilots and mechanics. Good thing our union is watching out for us...

As to when the raise shows up on my paycheck...let's see what ALPA can do (not optimistic).

Hey Dude. You need to replace the word ALPA with JC Lawson. Your people sold you the bill of goods, not National. You only need to look within your house to see that there was a lack of balls.

So, were you apart of the majority when the vote was counted?

 

[amcnd]

Does this snap the pilots pay back up? I thought it was all groups or nothing?

 

[imacdog]

Does this snap the pilots pay back up? I thought it was all groups or nothing?

That is correct, pilots have been on the current pay scale and will continue to be until the FAs sign an agreement with the company.

 

[Nindiri]

Isn't there another snapback if the CMR fleet falls below predetermined levels?

 

[LAMESAUCE]

now if they only had decent uniforms

 

[fugghedabowdit]

That is correct, pilots have been on the current pay scale and will continue to be until the FAs sign an agreement with the company.

Not just any agreement. An agreement worth 8.9 million. There's the rub. And thats exactly why the judge ruled against the company, if you read the decision. Tieing all the other agreements to the FA's was not bargaining in good faith.

It is possible the snapbacks to the LOA would kick in, which would bring us back to Contract 98, for what its worth.

 

[wmuflyguy]

In the LOA it doesn't specifically refer to 8.9mil, It refers to some super-secret document.

E. Contingency
Acceptance and implementation of this LOA #1-06 is contingent upon and shall not become effective until all other employee groups, including management, grant and/or implement the relief provided in the November 1, 2005 restructuring document (Company’s confidential Cost Reduction Target).

So who knows, what that document specifically says, I assume it is 8.9mil, but it wouldn;t be suprised if it was soemting different.

 

[fugghedabowdit]

Well, we do still have the newly dirt cheap RJ leases, I imagine transferring them to a non bankruptcy carrier would make them alot more expensive.

 

[B727FA]

Goes to show that the CMR F/A's are the only ones with balls in the whole DL system combined, because from the mainline to the bottom feeders you all gave in like little biotches

I haven't caved to get new flying...in fact, I have a non-conscessionary contract that's pretty damn strong.

I say, GREAT JOB Comair FA's. They held the line and put the problem back where it belongs...on MGT (or lack thereof). They proved that 1) you can't shrink yourself to profitability and 2) CREW PAY ISN'T THE CAUSE OF AIRLINE WOES!

Good job gals and guys.

For you OH folks who are now saying "doom and gloom" and blaming the FA's for the as of yet non-liquidation of Comair, you'd be singing a different song if YOUR Union had been the one to hold the line...

 

[sweptback]

Well, we do still have the newly dirt cheap RJ leases, I imagine transferring them to a non bankruptcy carrier would make them alot more expensive.

Why? The RJ leases are priced to what the market can bear. The only thing that bankruptcy does is let you renegotiate the leases from 1999 market rates to 2006 market rates.

 

[kiteflyer]

("For you OH folks who are now saying "doom and gloom" and blaming the FA's for the as of yet non-liquidation of Comair, you'd be singing a different song if YOUR Union had been the one to hold the line...")

very true..............

but one thing that you can be certain of......mgmnt will try to "shock and awe" the FA's into an agreement before the liquidation happens. That affects everyone................lots of suffering at OH over the summer.

Once you get to the top, their is only one way to go, and OH is sliding rapidly down the mountain. Chitauqua, Republic, or whatever your name is, and SkyWest.....................your next.

p.s. How do we resurrect this profession?

 

[RCA]

would the chq and cmr FA's union being the same have an effect on were the flying is transferred?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Management next step: Park airplanes and file new 1113(c).

 

[ironspud]

It's all about you isn't. A true pilot says it about we not me.

Uhhhh.....What did you say?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

D'angelo...we know your online. No comment from the CMR mouth. Figures.

I'm waiting too.

No one is afraid of the FAs. Just before the decision comes out they will give in like everyone else.

Ooops.

 

["GO AROUND"]

I think the FA's have already showed that they can't be shocked or awed into anything the company wants. The paycuts were about as shocking and awing as it gets and they chose to walk if that was imposed on them. IMO it doesn't get much clearer.

D'angelho is under Fred's desk trying to help any way he can.

 

[blzr]

Maybe pilot groups will take the gloves off, so to speak, and start fighting back against the thieves in management. I doubt that CMR management will take the ruling well and are planning something to get even with the fa's.

 

[Master Shake]

Congratulations to Chautauqua, Skywest, ASA, Mesa, and perhaps Coex.

Comair sure was a nice place to work.

Thanks for thinking of us, but we're called ExpressJet. I highly doubt you'll see us anywhere near Delta country. Remember, we're the second highest costing regional...whatever that implies.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wow,

Who would have thought the CMR pilots would be playing Brokeback Mountain with Fred, while the FA's play Mission Impossible.

Way to go girls for standing your ground. What will Mr. Lawson do now?

Another big black eye for ALPA!

No. Just a big black eye for the Comair pilots. ALPA didn't cast a single vote.

 

[D'Angelo]

Im not worried at all actually. Still just bargaining on both sides. Resistance is futile. The hope now is as many senior mamas quit as possible. Still not worried, however, we have a long way to go and eventually there will be a deal. This is what we call posturing. The paycuts will be alive and well soon enough. CMR will always find a way to live on. Silly FAs arent going to quash our dreams of once again being competitive!!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Uhhhh.....What did you say?

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I WANNA TALK ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

(Toby Keith)