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I guess enough reasons for us to sell 70 CXsmiles otoole said:why the ...would anyone consider a X?
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I guess enough reasons for us to sell 70 CXsmiles otoole said:why the ...would anyone consider a X?
NJA Capt said:I guess enough reasons for us to sell 70 CXs![]()
Exactly-who do you think makes the decision on what a/c to buy? The pilots? Heck no. I would guess most of these potential buyers are very intelligent, yet very aviation ignorant. Why do you think the charter brokers are so successful? "We can do exactly what the frax companies can do, but for 30% cheaper. Just don't mind the 400 hour part time CFI sitting in the right seat." Digging a little more into the financial details-anyone know where to find typical resale values?ultrarunner said:It's all about marketing. All the stuff they published is exactly true at the exact moment they did it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Smart folks see it for what it is. Those less smart don't know any better or differenty.
Marketing has nothing to do with intelligence in actuality.ultrarunner said:It's all about marketing. All the stuff they published is exactly true at the exact moment they did it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Smart folks see it for what it is. Those less smart don't know any better or differenty.
Upgrade? We have nearly twice as many Captains as SICs... Maybe many newhires will go to the X.Hawkered said:There is a massive upgrade class in the X program just around the corner. In fact, so many, that they will have to split the training so as not to jam the simulator slots. Rumor has it that they are at least 43 X crews short!
Well actually, yes. Chief pilots and Aviation Directors are so influential in determining the purchase of Gulfstreams that the company does much to accomodate them. There is a Customer Advisory Board, an Aviation Managers and Pilots seminar at Workshop and much customer golf.miles otoole said:Exactly-who do you think makes the decision on what a/c to buy? The pilots? Heck no.
They have been ordered for a while but not many delivered in last year I think.GVFlyer said:You guys have ordered 20 more CE-750's for a total of 90!
GV
GVFlyer said:Well actually, yes. Chief pilots and Aviation Directors are so influential in determining the purchase of Gulfstreams that the company does much to accomodate them. There is a Customer Advisory Board, an Aviation Managers and Pilots seminar at Workshop and much customer golf.
Also, the sales executives normally approach a company through it's aviation department as opposed to going in at the Chief Financial Officer level as NetJets and others commonly do.
GV
Congratulations on your purchase of three CL 300's. I have a friend who is a Bombardier salesman and he showed me the airplane when it was first certified. Nice cockpit and a roomy cabin.capt_zman said:Going over the numbers last night, looks like this airplane (for our purposes) is going to obsolete our GIV. Incredible.
Yes, it's an amazing airplane at it's price. The G200 has the edge on speed and range and a slightly larger cabin, but it costs $4 million more. The Citation X is more price competitive at $19.26 million and quick (2978 nm @ M.0.85; 3098 nm @ M 0.82), but the cabin is small: 23'6" L X 5'8" H X 5'6" W.With all things considered, there was no comparison between the CL300 and the X or G200, especially at 17mil a pop.
At max cruise, FL 410, about 900lbs a side starting and 850lbs a side at the end of the trip. Of course higher temps and higher altitudes lower those numbers. I have noticed a big drop in fuel flow when you pull it back to .88, after that the savings are much smaller. LRC varies from .79 to .82 depending on weight.What's the X fuel burn at .92 cruise? I've never flown one but always wanted to know.