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CL-604 Da-2000Ex Perfomance question

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I need to know the Balanced Field Length for both the CL-604 and the Da-2000Ex, for a 1200nm trip 8pax from SL and From 3000 ft, std Day +59degF.

Better if the info is generated on the FMS.

Thanks.
 

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15c, no slope, 29.92:

CL 604:

8 pax and 1200 NM (no wind):

SL:

3715 ft, 9.5% second segment

3000 ft elev:

4411 ft, 8% second segment
 
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I don't know the 2000EX, the few FMS i knew can doit.
 
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thanks CLCAP
 

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Falcon 2000EX according to Ultra Nav

SL. Slats+10 FLaps: 4160 & 8.8 climb
Slats+20 Flaps: 3920 & 7.6 climb

3000' Slats+10 4550 & 9.0 climb
Slats+20 4310 & 7.9 climb
 

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G100driver said:
Falcon 2000EX according to Ultra Nav

SL. Slats+10 FLaps: 4160 & 8.8 climb
Slats+20 Flaps: 3920 & 7.6 climb

3000' Slats+10 4550 & 9.0 climb
Slats+20 4310 & 7.9 climb

The Falcon has a better climb at 3000 than at SL??
 
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Thank G100Driver, thanks to ALL for this info.
 

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CLCAP said:
The Falcon has a better climb at 3000 than at SL??

Ran it 2x's on ultra nav.

Not saying it is correct, but just reading the numbers :confused: I am WAY too lazy to pull out the spaghetti charts on this.
 

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G100driver said:
You assume that you can generate this on the FMS in the Falcon 2000EX:rolleyes: :(
It's a pretty safe assumption. The 2000EX has an EASy cockpit, so computing this data is not a stretch for this set-up. Lot's of FMSs can compute this data. Hawkers, Gs, and yes, Falcons all have the ability to do it (Model dependent). Production 50EXs and 900EXs can do it, as well as Honeywell NZ2Ks found in Hawkers and Gs. The new Hawkers have Collins Proline 21 in them, and they can do it as well. Even the straight F2th with the Collins Pro Line 4 are capable of performing these calculations. You must remember that even though the FMS might have the ability to do so, it might not be technologically capable. It depends on how up to date the performance software is. I think with Collins you need 4.0 or better and with Honeywell you need 5.8(?) maybe 6.0 or better.
 

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HawkerF/O said:
It's a pretty safe assumption. The 2000EX has an EASy cockpit, so computing this data is not a stretch for this set-up. Lot's of FMSs can compute this data. Hawkers, Gs, and yes, Falcons all have the ability to do it (Model dependent). Production 50EXs and 900EXs can do it, as well as Honeywell NZ2Ks found in Hawkers and Gs. The new Hawkers have Collins Proline 21 in them, and they can do it as well. Even the straight F2th with the Collins Pro Line 4 are capable of performing these calculations. You must remember that even though the FMS might have the ability to do so, it might not be technologically capable. It depends on how up to date the performance software is. I think with Collins you need 4.0 or better and with Honeywell you need 5.8(?) maybe 6.0 or better.

Just a little correction.....Not all 2000EX's are EASy cockpits.
 

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Not all 50ex's have the perf data available on the FMS
 

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HawkerF/O said:
It's a pretty safe assumption. The 2000EX has an EASy cockpit, so computing this data is not a stretch for this set-up. Lot's of FMSs can compute this data. Hawkers, Gs, and yes, Falcons all have the ability to do it (Model dependent). Production 50EXs and 900EXs can do it, as well as Honeywell NZ2Ks found in Hawkers and Gs. The new Hawkers have Collins Proline 21 in them, and they can do it as well. Even the straight F2th with the Collins Pro Line 4 are capable of performing these calculations. You must remember that even though the FMS might have the ability to do so, it might not be technologically capable. It depends on how up to date the performance software is. I think with Collins you need 4.0 or better and with Honeywell you need 5.8(?) maybe 6.0 or better.

First of all, the first 28 or so 2000EX's were not EASy, they had the Collins package. Second, the 2000EASy's FMS will not computer performance data until Cert 3 (4Q06). 900EASy now has Cert 3 and does a great job with performance calculations.
 

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HawkerF/O said:
It's a pretty safe assumption. The 2000EX has an EASy cockpit, so computing this data is not a stretch for this set-up. Lot's of FMSs can compute this data. Hawkers, Gs, and yes, Falcons all have the ability to do it (Model dependent). Production 50EXs and 900EXs can do it, as well as Honeywell NZ2Ks found in Hawkers and Gs. The new Hawkers have Collins Proline 21 in them, and they can do it as well. Even the straight F2th with the Collins Pro Line 4 are capable of performing these calculations. You must remember that even though the FMS might have the ability to do so, it might not be technologically capable. It depends on how up to date the performance software is. I think with Collins you need 4.0 or better and with Honeywell you need 5.8(?) maybe 6.0 or better.

Can you compute the second segment climb gradient on Honeywells EASy?
 

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2000flyer said:
First of all, the first 28 or so 2000EX's were not EASy, they had the Collins package. Second, the 2000EASy's FMS will not computer performance data until Cert 3 (4Q06). 900EASy now has Cert 3 and does a great job with performance calculations.

Beat me to it! I guess JAA is draging their feet (suprise) on approving FMS performance data.
 

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Not all 50ex's have the perf data available on the FMS
Like I mentioned in my post, it is a matter of software (if they are using Collins or Honeywell for FMSs). If they have updated their software they do have perf data. Current 50EXs do have that feature available.
 

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Bandit60 said:
Just a little correction.....Not all 2000EX's are EASy cockpits.
My bad. You are right. I was so busy typing I meant to mention that but forgot. I think it was something like the 1st 30 had the Pro Line 4, which in itself is a great avionics suite. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
 

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Our straight 2000 does it, straight out of the factory.

I believe it started coming standard around serial number 120+/-.
 
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