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Oakum, LXJ31 and others ...........

that are ready to jump on these pilots and crucify them right from the start are being both unprofessional and disrespectful. You don't know the details of this accident nor of the company and its operations. I am praying that ALL of my friends that I left there years ago are still alive. I don't know any of you, except for the screen names you hide behind, I certainly hope this never happens to you or any of your friends.

Godspeed to the crew and the passengers and those that are touched by this tragedy.
 
easy fella..

I been reading this thread and nobody is putting blame on any of the pilots what-so-ever.

All they did was point out the PFT disclaimer from the company website.

YOU are the one jumping to conclusions.
 
JustApilot

Your sanctimony aside, help me out. Show me where I posted any sort of condemnation of the crew? I only ask because I know you can't. I showed only my absolute disgust with PFT jobs; they are the only unprofessional aspect of this discussion.

Screen name I hide behind? Pot...kettle. I never post anything where I would need to hide my identity.

Speaking of accident details, I posted the METARS from the KMTJ automated station this morning on the corporate thread. We weren't there to watch the accident, but the weather is likely to play in the final analysis, as it does in the majority of accidents.
 
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One thing I don't understand. People here always throw out the word "unprofessional". How is what that person said unprofessional.

It seems like when someone says something someone else doesnt agree to it becomes unprofessional. I believe we are all professionals.
 
No, the accident Gulfstream aircraft at Aspen a couple years ago was from a charter company at Van Nuys....or Burbank. Can't remember which. In either event, different company.
 
The media is being a bunch of idiots here. Telluride is a good hour away from Montrose, and theres an airport at Telluride. If its Montrose then they need to shut up and just say Montrose, and if it was Telluride's airport say Telluride. Idiots.......
 
I've had the pleasure of knowing Dick, Charley and Teddy since I was about 10 years old. Used to play golf with Charley. Very nice people and very down to earth. Please keep them all in your thoughts tonight as the search continues for Teddy.
 
Well...the media are probably confused about where they were actually on holiday. This is speculation, but there is a good chance they departed Telluride with the intention of tankering up at Montrose; Telluride is a very high altitude airport at a little above 9000 ft. We typically do the same thing if the destination is longer than a certain distance away. So maybe they land at Montrose and take on fuel for their destination at South Bend.
 
Challenger Crash Telluride CO

Just heard about this tonight. Condolences to the guys at the jet center in MIV, their families and those of the pax.

NBC Sports chief Ebersol survives plane crash

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[/font]BY VERNE GAY
Staff Writer

November 28, 2004, 9:23 PM EST


Dick Ebersol, the chairman of NBC Sports, was seriously injured in a fiery plane crash in Montrose, Colo., Sunday that claimed at least two lives. The airport serves Telluride, a ski resort in western Colorado.

NBC's Denver affiliate, KUSA-TV, said one of Ebersol's sons, Charles, also survived the crash but that another son, Teddy, was missing.

The crash occurred during takeoff Sunday at 10 a.m. local time in snowy weather, although a spokesman reached last night at the Montrose Police Department said it was unclear whether that was a factor.

Allen Kenitzer, regional Federal Aviation Administration spokesman, said the pilot, flight attendant and a passenger died when the plane burst into flames after crashing through a fence.

Sheriff's officials only confirmed two of the deaths and said two other passengers suffered life-threatening injuries.

They said the sixth person listed on the plane's manifest had not been found in the wreckage, which sent flames and black plumes of smoke into the sky.

Linda McCool, a nursing supervisor at Montrose Memorial Hospital, said three men were brought to the hospital after the crash but had been transferred to other hospitals by Sunday afternoon. McCool would not say where they were taken or describe their conditions.

Ebersol and his wife, actress Susan Saint James, have a home in Colorado, although she was not on the plane.

One of TV sports' most influential executives, Ebersol, 57, is most closely identified with the Olympics -- to which NBC holds exclusive U.S. broadcast rights through the 2012 Summer Games -- but he was also a driving force in one of TV's singular franchises: "Saturday Night Live."

After joining NBC in 1974 -- following a six-year stint as ABC Sports producer and Roone Arledge protege -- he and Lorne Michaels developed "SNL," although Michaels, the executive producer, would be most closely associated with the show during its near-three-decade run.

Ebersol was also executive producer from 1981 to 1985, considered by some fans to be a particularly solid stretch during the show's history.

Ebersol also had a brief but pivotal role at the "Today" show and in the network's selection of Jay Leno as Johnny Carson's replacement on "Tonight."

The crash occurred in an area covered with small brush and cedar trees, sheriff's Communications Supervisor David Learned said. A large drainage ditch also is at the site.

Eyewitness Chuck Distel told KUSA-TV that one of the wings and the cockpit were ripped off the plane. "There were two people outside the airplane when we pulled up. Both of them pretty much were in shock," he said.

Kenitzer identified the plane's tail number as N873G, a CL-601 Challenger registered to Jet Alliance of Millville, N.J. The plane is a twin-engine jet that can carry up to 16 passengers.

An operator at Jet Alliance said she had no information about the crash. Investigators from the FAA and National Safety Transportation Board were en route to the airport, 185 miles southwest of Denver.

Newsday staff writer Steve Zipay and wire services contributed to this story.
 
We may have lost a few of our own today and I just wanted to put the kabash on the training contract/PFT trash talking that tends to take over serious threads.
 
LXJ31 said:
No, the accident Gulfstream aircraft at Aspen a couple years ago was from a charter company at Van Nuys....or Burbank. Can't remember which. In either event, different company.
AvJet in KBUR.

By the way, were there any PIREPS at MTJ around the time of the CL accident?
 
Well, we'll find out soon enough what the cause was. Perhaps a contaminated runway; here is the weather for 1259Z to 1626Z at KMTJ today:

(The weather appeared to changing rapidly as the automated station put out new weather 22 times in about 3.5 hours. According to the station, it snowed continously through the time period and never got above the melting point.)

KMTJ 281626Z AUTO 32006KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR BKN006 OVC013 M02/M02 A2966 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281617Z AUTO 31005KT 1SM -SN BR BKN006 OVC017 M01/M02 A2965 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281606Z AUTO 31005KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR BKN006 OVC017 M02/M02 A2964 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281601Z AUTO 30007KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR BKN008 OVC017 M01/M02 A2964 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281553Z AUTO 32005KT 1SM -SN BR BKN010 OVC017 M02/M02 A2964 RMK AO2 SLP032 P0001 T10171022 FZRANO
KMTJ 281543Z AUTO 34007KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN014 M01/M02 A2962 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281541Z AUTO 35007KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR OVC016 M01/M02 A2962 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281511Z AUTO 33004KT 5SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC038 M01/M02 A2962 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281504Z AUTO 33004KT 3SM -SN BR BKN014 OVC026 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281501Z AUTO 32004KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR BKN014 OVC026 M02/M02 A2962 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281456Z AUTO 32005KT 1SM -SN BR BKN010 OVC026 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281453Z AUTO 32005KT 3/4SM -SN BR BKN008 OVC026 M02/M02 A2962 RMK AO2 SLP025 P0001 60004 T10171022 51022 FZRANO
KMTJ 281446Z AUTO 32007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN006 OVC026 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281440Z AUTO 33007KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR SCT006 OVC026 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281433Z AUTO 33007KT 3/4SM -SN BR BKN006 BKN017 OVC028 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281423Z AUTO 33007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN006 BKN017 OVC024 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281416Z AUTO 32006KT 1 1/4SM -SN BR BKN006 BKN018 OVC030 M02/M02 A2961 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281413Z AUTO 32007KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR SCT010 BKN023 OVC030 M02/M02 A2960 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281403Z AUTO 32007KT 2 1/2SM -SN BR FEW008 BKN018 OVC032 M02/M02 A2960 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281353Z AUTO 31007KT 4SM -SN BR SCT008 BKN017 OVC032 M02/M02 A2959 RMK AO2 SLP020 P0001 T10171022 FZRANO
KMTJ 281330Z AUTO 32009KT 3SM -SN BR FEW006 BKN015 OVC026 M01/M02 A2958 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281322Z AUTO 32007KT 2SM -SN BR FEW006 BKN011 OVC018 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 P0001 FZRANO
KMTJ 281311Z AUTO 32009KT 2SM -SN BR FEW005 SCT009 OVC016 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281307Z AUTO 33008KT 1 3/4SM -SN BR BKN007 OVC016 M01/M02 A2957 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
KMTJ 281259Z AUTO 33008KT 2SM -SN BR BKN005 BKN009 OVC016 M01/M02 A2956 RMK AO2 P0000 FZRANO
Dude, that's the scroll and paste weather for the airport I fly a caravan into all winter long...no shizzle. Add in some 1/4 mile vis and some of this and some of that and you almost have a clone of my whole season. Did you know the ski hills in the town I go to dont need snow making machines?

Unless you got some braking action reports or Notam'd MU stuff and some "hold over" times...this weather in my book is legal for approach and departure...and very much a fact of life for those of us who "fly for a living".

I know that some corporate flight departments have a policy "not to go" when it excedes their chief pilots grundy factor...but I don't see nothing here that would have caused a pilot to crash his plane.

Maybe this time it IS mechanical? Hmmm...FN says it's a mechanical for a change? Wazzup wit dat?
 
The most important thing to remember is that people have died. My thoughts are with their families and friends first and foremost.



PFT: Ok, technically this might be buying a job, but look at their minimum requirements. Asking someone with 2500/1500 and 1000 PIC ME is VASTLY different than having a commercial MEL, 50 or so PIC MEL and 250 SIC turbine!!



I’m not even going to get into whether or not the latter should occur. I’m just saying that in relative terms an applicant that they are looking for probably has some fairly decent decision making skills. In fact they would have significantly more time than any regional that I know of is asking for!



I think that, along with the fact that, once again – fellow pilots have DIED, makes the PFT issue, in this thread, both invalid and more importantly, inappropriate.



-J
 

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