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SkyBoy1981 said:
Haha. ER's? I hope they don't use those old hoopty's for charter flights. :p

"Sorry coach, but we're going to have to leave at least two players behind due to weight restricions."

Uhh, charter women's gymnastics teams?..we could take that weight... I'm just speculating that they'd have a whole lot less seats than they do now and have some major interior renovation done. Emphasize "speculating".
 
coolyokeluke said:
Uhh, charter women's gymnastics teams?..we could take that weight... I'm just speculating that they'd have a whole lot less seats than they do now and have some major interior renovation done. Emphasize "speculating".

None of the 69 airplanes are ER's. :)
 
It seems to me that selecting CHQ is more of an insurance policy than anything else. If XJT decided to take all 69 aircraft (which I hope they do) and fly them for somebody else or themselves that leaves CAL some options.

CHQ has the same type of aircraft in their fleet as what CAL is currently operating with XJT, they also have a bigger airframe to offer if (in the unlikley event) their pilots vote in scope relief and allow bigger aircraft. CAL may not even want to replace the 69 aircraft in their system, but rather if they were returned by XJT they would need somebody to operate them so as not to lose out on the lease payments/revenue. It seems like a win/win situation for both CAL and RAH. Cal gets some flexibility in the number of aircraft used in the system, and RAH gets another customer that will supply them with the needed aircraft to do the flying if they are available. If XJT decides to keep all 69 aircraft, RAH is on the hook to come up with replacements for CAL up to 69 airframes freeing CAL of having to acquire more aircraft. In reality unless the Delta code for CHQ is terminated and the required number of ERJ's are freed up to do the CAL flying, I don't see RAH buying any ERJ's to support the CAL contract. I doubt RAH would have accepted the contract if there was any chance of having to purchase additional 50 seat aircraft, and I would guess that they took the deal more for the opportunity to have a shot at any future 70+ seat flying under the CO code. As Bedford said himself, RAH is not looking to grow in the 50 seat segment of the market. I think RAH looked at CAL as low hanging fruit, they'll eat it if it's easy to get to, but their not really looking to go too high up the tree unless CAL makes it worth their while a' la EMB-170's

For the XJT folks (myself included) it is going to be an interesting time these next couple of months. If things go well we may come out of this better off than we started in December. If it doesn't go well then some of the employees will lose their jobs (myself included).

If nothing else, I look to the future of XJT with optimisim, our management did not come to us with their hand out looking for concessions to "save" the CAL flying. They only ask that we continue to do the same job we have been all along, and wait and see what the future holds. I don't think the bulk of the XJT pilots hold any ill feeling towards the CHQ group, this is a business where none of us, or our companies have any ownership of the work we do. In the end we all need to work together to make the regionals a better place to work. As the dream of getting on at a major keeps getting further and further away, we are probably going to be at this rung of the career ladder a long time................
 
SkyBoy1981 said:
None of the 69 airplanes are ER's. :)

How do you know if they are ER LR or XR's? Its just out curiosity. Hope ya'll stand strong.
 
punkpilot48 said:
How do you know if they are ER LR or XR's? Its just out curiosity. Hope ya'll stand strong.

The first statement put out by CAL in December listed the exact aircraft which would be removed and the removal from service dates. 44 XRs and the rest LRs
 
blueridge71 said:
This is not intended as flamebait, but is the contract for any more of XJ's aircraft coming up for renewal? This may not be over.
To my knowledge, the CPA does not allow for another replacement of XJT capacity until 2009, at which time up to 25% of the capacity could be out for bid. Essentially another 69 a/c. However, I believe there is a clause which could potentially allow cancellation of the whole CPA, provided the 12 months notice of intention is given, just as occurred in December 2005. Whether everyone else realizes this or not, this is the same in any CPA with a mainline carrier. You are never truly protected. What criteria have to be met to exercise such an option, I do not know. All I know is that everyone should stop referring to Express Jet as COEX, b/c that is clearly not the case come January 2007. COEX now means 2 names: XJT and CHQ. Its sad to see the change as CAL and XJT seemed to work very well together. XJT didn't make the choice though, so we now must do what everyone else is doing, fly for multiple carriers.
 
You are correct. I remember with ACA/DAL it was 6 month notice and I don't think that there had to be a specific reason. There were also triggers for automatic cancelation if completion factor or on time statistics fell below a certain point.

I have heard that Chataco is in danger of losing their DAL contract due to these type of triggers. I was curious as to what their statistics were, but their numbers aren't reported on the DOT website.

I believe that to be CAL's fundamental mistake. The salvation of the airline industry will not be in slashing costs and outsourcing to the lowest bidder, it will be in providing good customer service.

Look at companies that are successful such as Southwest and Jetblue. They may attract customers with low fares, but their fares aren't all that much lower than the legacies. And their choice of destinations is much more limited than the legacies. The big difference is that they provide much better customer service. They generate loyal customers who will go out of their way to fly with them.

I think that CAL just threw out their customer service to save a few bucks.
 
Stifler's Mom said:
If XJT takes the 69 airplanes with them, where will CHQ get 69 airframes to fly?

Latest I have heard is CHQ has just placed an order for 69 Cessna 172SPs which will replace the airplanes XJT will keep. This will ensure all the ERAU kids at CHQ will be comfortable in the left and right seat of this high performance aircraft....you heard it here first. Upgrades for everyone!!!!!
 

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