CitationShares Upgrade timeframe

[XTW]

If the upgrade is not aircraft specific you are saying you just wait your turn based on your hire date?

Yes, most everything is done on a seniority(DOH) basis as of February 1.

Upgrades, for all the above stated reasons, I would venture 4-5years providing nothing changed from this point forward.


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[7777]

Thanks XTW. It is appreciated.

 

[JSky26]

Just a question for CS guys...

If you guys are assigned the CE-525 aircraft as a new-hire do they give you an SIC type on it, if those even exist?

Also, in terms of FOs logging time in the CE-525, do the FOs log SIC in that aircraft? Are you guys under Part 91 subpart K?

Thanks

 

[Sparse]

Just a question for CS guys...

If you guys are assigned the CE-525 aircraft as a new-hire do they give you an SIC type on it, if those even exist?

Also, in terms of FOs logging time in the CE-525, do the FOs log SIC in that aircraft? Are you guys under Part 91 subpart K?

Thanks

Everyone gets a type. I doubt you can log PIC as an SIC.

 

[XTW]

Also, in terms of FOs logging time in the CE-525, do the FOs log SIC in that aircraft? Are you guys under Part 91 subpart K?

Thanks

We operate under 91,91Kand 135. All flights are operated as if they were 135, with a few exceptions.

As far as logging PIC as an SIC, I've heard the angles on this.

1. Empty leg, SIC type-rated, sole manipulator of the controls, Part 61, you technically could log it, I suppose.

Bottom line, you can log anything you want. However, when you go to the next interview or have to explain to an insurance company how your time was logged, it's your reputation that goes under the microscope. If they feel you are stretching the rules, the outcome might not what you were hoping for. Most airlines only consider PIC time, the time that you personally "signed" for the aircraft or the time your company designated you PIC for the flight.

In the end, you have to live with yourself and your decisions.


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[JSky26]

Everyone gets a type. I doubt you can log PIC as an SIC.

I'm kinda new to the biz...

Do the FOs on the CJs log PIC on their "legs" even though the Capt is signing off for the entire flight?

 

[flagshipper]

I'm kinda new to the biz...

Do the FOs on the CJs log PIC on their "legs" even though the Capt is signing off for the entire flight?

You could log it that way part 61 but any job you would ever want to go to like SWA, FDX, and UPS only count Part 1 PIC time which is the person who signed for the aircraft. So 99 percent log all the time as SIC. If you really want PIC Turbine time quickly to make yourself attractive to certain companies I would suggest a regional.

 

[XTW]

I'm kinda new to the biz...

Do the FOs on the CJs log PIC on their "legs" even though the Capt is signing off for the entire flight?

No.



XTW

 

[7777]

The type CS pays for is a PIC type rating correct? I am military and we have our own way, not to familiar with the type rating stuff. Is there such a thing as a SIC or PIC type? I thought a type was always a PIC type?

 

[bailout]

As far as legalitly goes, yes F/Os can log PIC time. They are typed in the A/C and sole manipulator of the controls. It depends on your next employer on how they look at this, but from a log book point of view, its legal. Alot of people here discourage that because 'you didnt sign for the aircraft', but alot of people here arent hiring managers either. Log it, and explain it later..

 

[bailout]

The type CS pays for is a PIC type rating correct? I am military and we have our own way, not to familiar with the type rating stuff. Is there such a thing as a SIC or PIC type? I thought a type was always a PIC type?

Yes PIC type. There is actually an SIC type also, but its more of a 121 thing for some ICAO requirement.

 

[7777]

Thanks for the clarification.

If you get hired by CS do they mind if you moonlight and fly for other folks on your days off?

 

[Sparse]

As far as legalitly goes, yes F/Os can log PIC time. They are typed in the A/C and sole manipulator of the controls. It depends on your next employer on how they look at this, but from a log book point of view, its legal. Alot of people here discourage that because 'you didnt sign for the aircraft', but alot of people here arent hiring managers either. Log it, and explain it later..

Sec. 91.3

Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.

(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.


OK, lets say on a two pilot aircraft the FO is manipulating the controls. You have an abnormal which states land as soon as pratical. Is the FO going to make that call or the PIC. The FO may and probably will continue flying the aircraft but the PIC will decide when and where the airplane lands. It is what it is. PIC is pilot in "Command". The aircraft commander if you will.

I don't see how anyone could justify logging PIC time if they are not the designated PIC. I don't log PIC time if I am flying with another Captain unless I am the one designated as the PIC. The only exception to this would be during a line check. You must be the PIC during an line check.

 

[7777]

If you get hired by CS do they mind if you moonlight and fly for other folks on your days off?

Bueller?..... Bueller?........ Bueller?

 

[CA1900]

I swear, we go through this every three months on this board...

Sec. 91.3

Irrelevant.

I don't see how anyone could justify logging PIC time if they are not the designated PIC.

Read 61.51(e) and get back to us.

The regulations are very specific about several situations where you can log PIC, even though you are not (or cannot be) the PIC.

Some situations where you can log PIC, even though you cannot act as PIC:

• Your medical is expired, and you go up for an hour of practice with an instructor.
• You go up with an instructor for training towards a tailwheel (or complex, or high-performance) sign-off.
• You go for training towards an instrument rating, in IMC, in a plane for which you are rated.

Those are just some examples where it's 100% legal to log PIC, per 61.51, even though you cannot legally act as PIC.