CitationShares laying off another 40 pilots

[RCA]

Also...

I think its time that management and pilots starting working closer together to save jobs. From postings I have read NetJets Union and management have come up with many money saving ideas to save jobs and prevent furloughs.

Perhaps one idea at CitationShares (and please dont flame me for this) is for all pilots AND MANGEMENT to take a 5 percent pay cut. If you multiply that over 300 some pilots plus management staff you might be able to save more than a few jobs. Certainly buyouts are a nice idea, but its better to keep guys working earning (a little less) then have guys totally out of work. It would be the ultimate expression of teamwork in tough times.

I would rather work for a bit less than have my buddies out on the street, especially these days.

Of course this isnt the only idea, just a trail balloon to get things rolling. Obviously other ideas could be presented, but this would have an immediate effect.

Its time we all work together rather than sitting here flaming each other.

PILOTS TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN!

Unfortunately, The President shares your view, and is eroding the very system that has produced more for hundreds of millions, simultaneously, than any other civilization.
If this idea worked so well we'd all be on little boats floating toward Cuba.

 

[tdwnds1]

...and yet the airlines have done EXACTLY that. They have asked for wage concessions for years. I will grant you they have union representation and contracts so the negotiations are a little different..but what I am proposing is not new at all.

The other thing is that all members share the "pain" management and pilots. NOT just the pilots. Its not communism here. Its business...plain and simple, just like the airlines. Its also NOT SOCIALISM to take care of your fellow pilot that might be sitting next to you..remember him or her?

Certainly, some sort of guaruntee can be built in to recoup those wages. Those that share in the pain should also share in the success.

PILOTS TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN!

 

[fischman]

Look how well that has worked out for the airlines. Exactly how many pilots lost their jobs over the past year? 10,000?

Concessions don't work. like gunfyter said, the only thing that can save jobs is more sales.

 

[glasspilot]

Unfortunately, The President shares your view, and is eroding the very system that has produced more for hundreds of millions, simultaneously, than any other civilization.
If your idea worked so well we'd all be on little boats floating toward Cuba.

Why do you "Bushies" always drag politics into these discussions? The guy is nervous and trying to think outside the box. Fine. People answered why his idea wouldn't work the way he thinks it might. Fine.

Then you come in, way off the reservation, with your right wing, hate the Clintons, I hope Obama fails, crap. BUSH IS THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. DON'T EVER FORGET THAT!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!

 

[tdwnds1]

Well Im not nervous since Im already unemployed . I am only nervous about keeping my house.

I am not looking at this as a political discussion and am certainly open to new ideas. It is my hope that the management and pilots and CS are doing the same thing. All ideas should be welcomed and debated. I agree that thousands of pilots have lost their jobs in the airlines, but much of that had to do with their business model which was unworkable and unprofitable.

I will grant you that more business is what EVERYONE needs. I think the problem is that there are so few people to sell too. Look at the price wars going on now. You are marketing to a currently shrinking clientel. The market was already saturated, so its just survival of the fittest now. Keep selling by all means, but we NEED new ideas in this new world!

 

[RCA]

Why do you "Bushies" always drag politics into these discussions? The guy is nervous and trying to think outside the box. Fine. People answered why his idea wouldn't work the way he thinks it might. Fine.

Then you come in, way off the reservation, with your right wing, hate the Clintons, I hope Obama fails, crap. BUSH IS THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. DON'T EVER FORGET THAT!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!

I made no mention of a political position, just stated a basic fact of human nature.

 

[RP170]

BUSH IS THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. DON'T EVER FORGET THAT!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!

You're a freaking tool. The sub prime mortgage mess began with the Clinton admin. Bush didn't help things either but you need to realize where this all started: democrats thinking everyone should be entitled to a home. Free handouts for the poor! Yay! It's the democratic way!

End of political portion of this thread. Carry on.

 

[tdwnds1]

Ok guys.

We dont need insults from either side. This was only supposed to be an honest and open discussion on some ideas to keep guys and gals flying and working.

All ideas are welcome, but please be respectful.

 

[brokeflyer]

democrats AND republicans are both EQUALLY uesless turds.....now that takes care of the political side of things.....now back to $hit about out of work pilots.

 

[ominbnd]

Hijack alert. Thanks anyway, Commuterguy. Squawk 7500!!