CitationShares laying off another 40 pilots

[cfd130]

...and yet the airlines have done EXACTLY that. They have asked for wage concessions for years. I will grant you they have union representation and contracts so the negotiations are a little different..but what I am proposing is not new at all.

The other thing is that all members share the "pain" management and pilots. NOT just the pilots. Its not communism here. Its business...plain and simple, just like the airlines. Its also NOT SOCIALISM to take care of your fellow pilot that might be sitting next to you..remember him or her?

Certainly, some sort of guaruntee can be built in to recoup those wages. Those that share in the pain should also share in the success.

PILOTS TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN!

Also dont forget the airlines promise of more aircraft and more flying hours for concessions. This works well too!!!

 

[brokeflyer]

well your comments are alway welcome, but we don't make enough to be able to give anything back.

 

[jetlag7]

Because concessions don't save jobs ... more sales and increased flying do.

If you made less money we still wouldn't need you....

BINGO!!!

If only half the working pilots out there understood this simple equation, our profession would be sooooo much better off.

Unfortunately, not enough do -- so the proverbial "flush" continues.....

 

[cfd130]

Also dont forget the airlines promise of more aircraft and more flying hours for concessions. This works well too!!!

This was an attempt at humor. Several years ago Comair landed an Embraer at CVG-Made a big deal of it.Said if there were more concessions there would be more on the way. After the concessions were given the plane took off never to be seen again.

 

[RCA]

This was an attempt at humor. Several years ago Comair landed an Embraer at CVG-Made a big deal of it.Said if there were more concessions there would be more planes on the way. After the concessions were given the plane took off never to be seen again.

They did piece together part of each plan of concessions and more planes and came up with MORE CONCESSIONS!

 

[dalegribble]

Pilot groups will never get their concessions back. As the mgmt types like to point out, there is too much capacity. Pay cuts and concessions do not solve the problem of excess capacity.

 

[tdwnds1]

I appreciate all the comments that everyone made about my idea. Most of you made some very valid points. Perhaps there are other ideas that people can present out there.

I have heard of people working less days to help their fellow workers out or keep them from getting laid off. I understand the concept of excess capacity, but its also of note that places like CS have on contract, it is "at will" so those laid off have NO gaurantees that they will be called back to work from the "furlough'. I think there is a certain amount of safety in staying in your job in such a situation.

All the suggestions are greatly appreciated, it is my hope that management and pilots could get together like this and work a team, rather an against each other for the good of their employees and the company.

 

[gunfyter]

Working fewer days might work ... But if you are already on 7&7 .... How many fewer days would management let everyone work?

 

[RCA]

I appreciate all the comments that everyone made about my idea. Most of you made some very valid points. Perhaps there are other ideas that people can present out there.

I have heard of people working less days to help their fellow workers out or keep them from getting laid off. I understand the concept of excess capacity, but its also of note that places like CS have on contract, it is "at will" so those laid off have NO gaurantees that they will be called back to work from the "furlough'. I think there is a certain amount of safety in staying in your job in such a situation.

All the suggestions are greatly appreciated, it is my hope that management and pilots could get together like this and work a team, rather an against each other for the good of their employees and the company.

This "Bushie" (thanks for the tag glasspilot) has not, and will not request a single day of OT while folks are furloughed.

 

[blueridge71]

Why can't no furloughs in exchange for pay concessions be a contractual thing, i.e. an updated IBB? I'm sure the bottom 800 or so pilots might be interested versus trying to find a pilot job in this economy.

It doesn't seem to be a question of money, but of having too much capacity. Pay cuts would not solve the capacity problem. Having our esteemed president and congress stop trashing business aviation might.

 

[blueridge71]

Then you come in, way off the reservation, with your right wing, hate the Clintons, I hope Obama fails, crap. BUSH IS THE REASON WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. DON'T EVER FORGET THAT!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!

BS. Bush had plenty of problems, but he did try to reform Fannie and Freddie. Carter, Clinton, and our current congressional leaders were the ones who pushed subprime loans on the industry and even created a market for them in Fannie Mae.

 

[fischman]

BS. Bush had plenty of problems, but he did try to reform Fannie and Freddie. Carter, Clinton, and our current congressional leaders were the ones who pushed subprime loans on the industry and even created a market for them in Fannie Mae.

Double BS. Bush and the Republicans had 6 years of power to be able to make things the way they wanted. Unfortunatly, they were too busy having extra-marital affairs, having sex in airport bathrooms, and being the moral police of America in general.

The pilot in command is the final authority to the safe outcome of the flight, just like the President is responsible for the country. Who was in office when the ******************** hit the fan? BUSH. This mess his fault.

 

[CFIIer]

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[hyflyin]

Double BS. Bush and the Republicans had 6 years of power to be able to make things the way they wanted. Unfortunatly, they were too busy having extra-marital affairs, having sex in airport bathrooms, and being the moral police of America in general.

The pilot in command is the final authority to the safe outcome of the flight, just like the President is responsible for the country. Who was in office when the ******************** hit the fan? BUSH. This mess his fault.

I can't tell if your joking or serious????? I know you are not this ignorant. Bush certainly didn't do anyone any favors (okay, some were given favors) but......

 

[Quimby]

Double BS. Bush and the Republicans had 6 years of power to be able to make things the way they wanted. Unfortunatly, they were too busy having extra-marital affairs, having sex in airport bathrooms, and being the moral police of America in general.

The pilot in command is the final authority to the safe outcome of the flight, just like the President is responsible for the country. Who was in office when the ******************** hit the fan? BUSH. This mess his fault.

I remember something about Commander in Chief Clinton & affairs. Hmmmm.

One person is not responsible for the country's problems. Think what you want. But it's impossible. There's too many issues & problems for one person to handle them. The current mess is due to many, many people making bad choices for quite sometime. On both sides.

Carry on.