CitationAir Terminates Pilots on Disability

[fischman]

Look, I've put on some weight lately, but that's just rude! There are not
two of me!

HAHAHAHA!!!! :blush:

 

[rigger]

Hey all B19 is right again.....you do not have a right to a job. You do not have a right to the job you have. You do not own the job you have now, the owners of the company do. You work at your company because the owners need your ability, your ethic, your knowledge etc. You work there because the owners decided to hire and keep you and you decided to give them your time and experience, they pay you for this and you give them whatever was agreed upon when you hired on.

Unions change this basic law of nature and try to force square pegs in round holes. Every state and company that unions are prevalent the state is less wealthy and each company that has unionization is less profitable. Right to work states are financially better off than non right to work states, have less unemployment on average, and have a higher tax base per capita.

If I don't like what the company is doing I quite and find work where I do like it. If I don't do this I become like every other union guy I know who still hates whatever it is but has no power to change anything about it cause he's waiting for the union to fix it......you know 75% of everything I don't like I work out with the company a way to make it work for me and them......amazing system this free enterprise experiment......I give to them they give to me we work out the issues together, they don't like what I give, they get rid of me, I don't like what they give I get rid of them......huh

 

[gunfyter]

It seems to me ... every country that doesn't allow unions is a Totalitarian State .. . it was the Unions that broke Communism in Poland.

"The scientific concept of dictatorship means nothing else but this: power without limit, resting directly upon force, restrained by no laws, absolutely unrestricted by rules." Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin

More concisely:

"Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." Benito Mussolini

Il Duce, Benito 19 and Totalitarianism?

"Everything within the Management, nothing outside the Management, nothing against the Management...
... [management] power without limit, resting directly upon force, restrained by no [labor] laws, absolutely unrestricted by rules. [no CBA] "

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Compare with Ronald Reagan:

REAGAN: By outlawing Solidarity, a free trade organization to which an overwhelming majority of Polish workers and farmers belong, they have made it clear that they never had any intention of restoring one of the most elemental human rights—the right to belong to a free trade union.

REAGAN: The Polish government has trampled underfoot to the UN Charter and Helsinki accords. It has even broken the Gdańsk Agreement of 1980 by which the Polish government recognized the basic right of free trade unions and to strike.

REAGAN: These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.

 

[brokeflyer]

i dont like unions either. good concept, but they took it a bit too far.

I think everyone should be fired.

 

[G4dude]

i dont like unions either. good concept, but they took it a bit too far.

I think everyone should be fired.

I believe in the right to unionize, I just don't agree with the union philosophy. Gunfyter, communist countries also had government run health care. That doesn't mean everyone who supports Obamacare in the US is a communist. It doesn't necessarily correlate, kind sir.

 

[gunfyter]

Whether there is a union or not, I don't think the company should just throw me away if I get sick and can't work ... after 13 years. What can be done about this?

 

[sflax]

California is a right to work state. At will employment, has been corrupted by and basically we have a huge union called the EEO. So not all right to work states are better off.

 

[G4dude]

Whether there is a union or not, I don't think the company should just throw me away if I get sick and can't work ... after 13 years. What can be done about this?

You should have disability insurance and savings and maybe learn new skills if you can't fly any more. Why should company pay you when you don't work there any more? The company is not your mommy.

 

[CE750Driver]

You should have disability insurance and savings and maybe learn new skills if you can't fly any more. Why should company pay you when you don't work there any more? The company is not your mommy.

Listen up dip********************. This has been addressed in this thread ad nauseum. No one expects the company to keep paying you. They expect that they would hold your position if you get better and get your medical back. Ergo, not firing you.

You must be drunk or the stupidest guy I have ever seen on here.

 

[brokeflyer]

once again.....its amazing his brain can generate enough electricty to get get the big ole gulfstream flying.

I dont care thats he's a management scab, I do take offence to the utter disrespect for fellow pilots though. I wish I wasnt retired, i put him in the right seat and make him cry like a bitch.

 

[brokeflyer]

You should have disability insurance and savings and maybe learn new skills if you can't fly any more. Why should company pay you when you don't work there any more? The company is not your mommy.

you're the reason a company gets the union it deserves....ya know management blames you right? I still have friends there and they told me who you are.

 

[FRACTRASH]

This is exactly the very reason I want nothing to do with a Union. Different company now, but the same chest pounding the world owes me people must follow me around job after job. Union folks post sh$t like this on a public forum, just to say, look we have it soooo!!! bad here at Citationair and try to justify their weak existence. Thanks to you Union folks, now the nonunion office people have better disability insurance then the pilots and they deserve all of it. Just maybe, that's because you voted in a union and now everything is on the table now. As far as pilots being terminated for being on disability is an over site on Textron's part that is being worked out. It is a blanket policy that pilots fell into when we merged into their system. It wasn't an attack directly toward disabled Citationair pilots. But thanks to the Union, what should be an easy fix now will become a long drawn out negotiating mess! Hell, maybe now they will demand an 8 and 6 schedule in order to get what we already had, Thanks!!! Teamsters

On my last tour I spoke very frank with some NJ crews while sitting standby and I must say while we had hotels in 4 hours they were sitting for 8 hours with a leg at the end just because. I asked them why they voted the Teamsters off the property and every single one of them said for the money we were paying at their size, Teamsters and yes Teamsters did nothing for them. Hell, one of them said,"I don't drive a Kenworth." That gives me such confidence in this process. Their own pilots were doing all the leg work and it was when they fired their MEC and replaced them things started to get done, no thanks to the Teamsters.

I can't wait for the Airlines to start hiring so we can loose most of the foolish pilots and move on to the culture we once had. Just my 2.5 cents...

 

[G4dude]

you're the reason a company gets the union it deserves....ya know management blames you right? I still have friends there and they told me who you are.

I have no clue what you are talking about, brokeflyer.

 

[G4dude]

Listen up dip********************. This has been addressed in this thread ad nauseum. No one expects the company to keep paying you. They expect that they would hold your position if you get better and get your medical back. Ergo, not firing you.

You must be drunk or the stupidest guy I have ever seen on here.

if I can't fly, after a reasonable amount of time I would expect the company to give the job to somebody else, who would be thrilled, by the way. Why is it compassionate to keep a job open for me, while denying somebody else the job? That pilot wants to be employed just as much as I do.

 

[brokeflyer]

I have no clue what you are talking about, brokeflyer.

thats obvious. Thats what everyone is saying.

 

[G4dude]

you're the reason a company gets the union it deserves....ya know management blames you right? I still have friends there and they told me who you are.

Got any specifics? This oughta be good.

 

[CE750Driver]

if I can't fly, after a reasonable amount of time I would expect the company to give the job to somebody else, who would be thrilled, by the way. Why is it compassionate to keep a job open for me, while denying somebody else the job? That pilot wants to be employed just as much as I do.

Nice change of subject Dipsh!t. I put up a quote, where you are defending the company for someone being paid for being on disability. Then, I show you where that point has been discussed repeatedly, the person wasn't being paid at all. Then, you change the whole subject, like we wouldnt notice, and act like you weren't a retard in the first place. Defend your first stupid post, then move on would you? Do you want me to quote it up here again?

You need a course in logic.

 

[G4dude]

Nice change of subject Dipsh!t. I put up a quote, where you are defending the company for someone being paid for being on disability. Then, I show you where that point has been discussed repeatedly, the person wasn't being paid at all. Then, you change the whole subject, like we wouldnt notice, and act like you weren't a retard in the first place. Defend your first stupid post, then move on would you? Do you want me to quote it up here again?

You need a course in logic.

I don't understand your anger. Is compassion for the pilot who replaces me less important than compassion for me holding my job? My replacement wants to feed his family too, it seems to me.

 

[Helmsalee]

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[GooseHZ]

G if you don t understand the anger that people feel toward you......you sir truly are closed minded . Or your just on the payrole for management.....