Citation X pay???

[rice]

I made 85K in California as a X captain at my last job. Part 135 and on call 24/7, I was gone 25 days a month. Accepted this job in New England (which is home for me), part 91 and loving it. They pay VERY well with the hopes of attracting good people. We have a great department. BTW, our FO's make 75K!!!

As it should be!!!!!
Glad to see that someone has an employer who understands that it is much less expensive to pay a crew a decent (above avg,) wage than it is to keep replacing them because the employer treats them as immigrant labor.

 

[SCT]

Legacy,

Do you know what NBAA states for low, average, and high salaries for a 750 captain?

I'm sure there are some guys/gals making the 120K on the east and west coast. But most of the people I've talked to on the road and in recurrent are making the 90-100K range for a X job.

I might be wrong since......... I was always the guy on the back side of the curve in school. Somebody has to pull down the average!

 

[cessnaxdriver]

Legacy,

Do you know what NBAA states for low, average, and high salaries for a 750 captain?

I'm sure there are some guys/gals making the 120K on the east and west coast. But most of the people I've talked to on the road and in recurrent are making the 90-100K range for a X job.

I might be wrong since......... I was always the guy on the back side of the curve in school. Somebody has to pull down the average!

SCT, I know what the NBAA states too and some companies actually ignore them. My flight department has very low turn over! I was hired to repalce a retiring captain. I was always on the backside of the curve too, but I finally got lucky in my search. I have been on the X for over 5 years now and have not met many people making above 100K but we are out their.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Which was my point. I have met X Captains who make $75K max...

 

[gunfyter]

96k and 3 weeks of vacation.

now you know 2 oh yeah and 300 others.

Now Diesel. When are you gonna learn to pay attention. You know you can't compare fractional pay to Corporate pay.... How many times has G 200 and H2 told you that.

 

[Diesel]

Sorry i know better than that. It was the late night at platinums in SAT that made me post that.

Stupid free entry with room key.

not a corp pilot... stop reading corp board.... not corp pilot.... stop reading corp board...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Now Diesel. When are you gonna learn to pay attention. You know you can't compare fractional pay to Corporate pay.... How many times has G 200 and H2 told you that.

HEY WAIT!

when did you guys start making NBAA pay? -- I know "after perdiem and back pay..." we all heard it.

the saddest part gunfyter -- you really feel like you won.

Stop comparing yourself to 50K Legacy pilots and commuter trash....."rise that ship" like your wacky a$$ leader keeps saying.

 

[Diesel]

Remember NBAA pay is not for fractional pilots

I take the whole summer off. 3 weeks of vacation on the 7n7 turn into 7 weeks off. I know my schedule for the next 5 years. I have no office duties and i'm not at the whim of a ceo to sell the department or needs all his red pens in one drawer. Think MBNA.

I did win. I got a 55 percent payraise. I'm working less days a month than before and i got a 40k check on top of it. Plus the scope to keep my work MY work.

I don't consider per diem my pay. So i'm not going to enter that argument.

159 scheduled days a year. I'll take that plus 96k and the summer off.

Oh and you'll notice i didn't consider OT either because that can be taken away. Apples to apples.

 

[HMR]

I don't get it...

Why is it that all of the "Pilot Pay" threads on FI are chock full of guys making 50K to fly Legacy's (WTFO?) or 75K for the Citation X, Falcon2000, etc? Meanwhile, EVERY SINGLE corp pilot I know (i.e. close, personal friends) is making AT LEAST NBAA average or above. Sometimes WAY above.

Did you guys do any research on salaries before you took these lowball jobs?

A few examples:

Last year, I gave some salary info to an FI member interviewing for a King Air 350 job. He negotiated 75K+ bennies. FOR A KING AIR!

There's a midwest based PT91 Astra operator (the CP is a member here) who starts his Captain's at 95K + 10% year end bonus + bennies. That's for a guy off the street.

A few months ago I was offered an Astra job out of Chicago. Starting pay? $100K + bennies. (LeadSled can back me up on this one)

I have alot more examples if you want them.

FYI- I have less time than most of you so it's not like I have a lot of bargaining power. When I went looking for a new job I did some homework, went to 5 different interviews and chose the one with the best QOL. My definition of QOL includes; pay, location, schedule, stability of the dept, co-workers etc. And LegacyDriver, please don't tell us (AGAIN) that you're happy to fly a heavy jet for 50K because you don't work that hard and it's better than what you made flying 121.

 

[HMR]

Diesel- Congrats on the new payscale. You guys bust your butts and deserve a fair wage.

BUT... Please don't compare the Fracs to a good Corp gig. (Haven't we beaten this horse before?) There's no comparison in pay, schedule, time off or any other aspect of QOL.

The important thing is, you're happy with your job. That seems to be a rare emotion for pilots on FI.

 

[Diesel]

There's no comparison in pay, schedule, time off or any other aspect of QOL.

You're right you can't beat all the time off i have.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you needed a 100% pay raise to get in the ballpark.

That 40K was not a "christmas bonus" like all your BROTHERS think. It is a taxable slap in the face way of saying "thanks for giving me your a$$ for the last 7 years" from Uncle Warren.

He underpaid you 50K/yr then bought you off at about 6K/yr

"a rising tide lifts all ships" she says.


:laugh: <------ thats Warren.




and yes, if you are happy and feel you have won....well.....YOU HAVE!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Stop comparing yourself to 50K Legacy pilots and commuter trash....."rise that ship" like your wacky a$$ leader keeps saying.

Wow, I knew I was unpopular but to be compared to "commuter trash" pains me.

 

[LegacyDriver]

FYI- I have less time than most of you so it's not like I have a lot of bargaining power. When I went looking for a new job I did some homework, went to 5 different interviews and chose the one with the best QOL. My definition of QOL includes; pay, location, schedule, stability of the dept, co-workers etc. And LegacyDriver, please don't tell us (AGAIN) that you're happy to fly a heavy jet for 50K because you don't work that hard and it's better than what you made flying 121.

Unfortunately, having only one type rating hurts my chances of going places. People weren't (and aren't) beating down my door for $50K a year much less the $90K you claim I'm worth. Everyone I know is in the same boat.

*shrug*

OTOH, when I fly next I will have worked 4 1/2 days out of the last 45. That's MAJOR QOL!!!!!!!!

Is it worth it to make $100K to be on a pager? Not in my book. YMMV, but I prefer bouncing my daughter on my knee for $56K/year to slaving myself away for $100K. (Looking at it another way, if this were a "full-time" job--which in many ways it is *NOT*, especially considering days off--I'd be making $112K a year and be ABOVE NBAA.)

It's not my fault everyone thinks a Legacy pilot is a glorified RJ driver. We're not, but that's the way it is.

 

[501261]

I don't know a single X driver over $75K a year.

WOW.

I'm willing to bet that most of the 750 drivers that you know work for the same management company that is underpaying you!

For the record the only 750 pilot that I personally know, was making $115K in 2000 and threating to quit because he was woefully underpaid. He's still there so I bet he got a bump.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I take that back. I know of a few that make $82K a year in a PURE Part 91 (NOT mixed) flight department. My bad--I brain dumped that. But still FAR FAR below what you guys think they're worth.

So $82K for a X Captain in a pure Part 91 environment. You telling me they're the exception?


Where was your buddy who made $115K a year living? Perhaps that's the difference (he was in NY or CA vs. TX or OK).

 

[501261]

Where was your buddy who made $115K a year living? Perhaps that's the difference (he was in NY or CA vs. TX or OK).

I can't say, it would give his identity away, seriously. But it's not a high cost of living area, and his QOL was excellent.

 

[SCT]

I'm not saying there are not X pilots making 115-120K on the east/ west coast.....but I still think that is on the high end of the salary range. Good for them, though!
Somebody needs to pull out the NBAA survey and settle this "?"

 

[HMR]

OTOH, when I fly next I will have worked 4 1/2 days out of the last 45. That's MAJOR QOL!!!!!!!!

Is it worth it to make $100K to be on a pager? Not in my book. YMMV, but I prefer bouncing my daughter on my knee for $56K/year to slaving myself away for $100K. (Looking at it another way, if this were a "full-time" job--which in many ways it is *NOT*, especially considering days off--I'd be making $112K a year and be ABOVE NBAA.)

LegacyDriver- I thought you flew corporate? You do 135 also? Can we just clarify something once and for all: If you fly 99 PT91 trips and 1 PT135 trip YOU FLY CHARTER! Do you take a PT91 or PT135 checkride at recurrent? If it's PT135, YOU FLY CHARTER! The jobs I was referencing are pure PT91 ops.

Glad your daughter gets to bounce off dad's knee. That's cute. You always say your pay sucks then come back with some rediculous excuse for why it's OK- "Well if it was a full-time job..." (HUH?!). Or, it's better than "slaving myself away for 100K" (double-HUH?!). What are you talking about? I fly a smaller jet make ALOT more money and work ALOT less than you do. Give us a break.

 

[h25b]

Legacy Driver has the same problem we had when I was working at a place with a Saab corporate shuttle. The only industry standard we had to for compensation purposes were the regional airlines. Yeah right... So we were just forced to go with the Hawker 800 numbers. It was like the Saab didn't even exist.