Citation X pay???

[Diesel]

96k and 3 weeks of vacation.

now you know 2 oh yeah and 300 others.

 

[LegacyDriver]

The sad thing in all of this is that I have *YET* to meet a single person who makes what the NBAA survey claims is "average" or "median."

Maybe it's my location. I suppose living on one of the left coasts you'd need to make that to survive but perhaps midwest and south salary scales are deflated or something.

I see these salary surveys and I scoff cuz everyone I know thinks they are wishful thinking. Wish they were true I really do.

 

[cessnaxdriver]

I don't know a single X driver over $75K a year.

WOW.

I made 85K in California as a X captain at my last job. Part 135 and on call 24/7, I was gone 25 days a month. Accepted this job in New England (which is home for me), part 91 and loving it. They pay VERY well with the hopes of attracting good people. We have a great department. BTW, our FO's make 75K!!!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Nice.

 

[cessnaxdriver]

It is nice to finally work for a great company. Hopefully, things don't change.

 

[rice]

I made 85K in California as a X captain at my last job. Part 135 and on call 24/7, I was gone 25 days a month. Accepted this job in New England (which is home for me), part 91 and loving it. They pay VERY well with the hopes of attracting good people. We have a great department. BTW, our FO's make 75K!!!

As it should be!!!!!
Glad to see that someone has an employer who understands that it is much less expensive to pay a crew a decent (above avg,) wage than it is to keep replacing them because the employer treats them as immigrant labor.

 

[SCT]

Legacy,

Do you know what NBAA states for low, average, and high salaries for a 750 captain?

I'm sure there are some guys/gals making the 120K on the east and west coast. But most of the people I've talked to on the road and in recurrent are making the 90-100K range for a X job.

I might be wrong since......... I was always the guy on the back side of the curve in school. Somebody has to pull down the average!

 

[cessnaxdriver]

Legacy,

Do you know what NBAA states for low, average, and high salaries for a 750 captain?

I'm sure there are some guys/gals making the 120K on the east and west coast. But most of the people I've talked to on the road and in recurrent are making the 90-100K range for a X job.

I might be wrong since......... I was always the guy on the back side of the curve in school. Somebody has to pull down the average!

SCT, I know what the NBAA states too and some companies actually ignore them. My flight department has very low turn over! I was hired to repalce a retiring captain. I was always on the backside of the curve too, but I finally got lucky in my search. I have been on the X for over 5 years now and have not met many people making above 100K but we are out their.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Which was my point. I have met X Captains who make $75K max...

 

[gunfyter]

96k and 3 weeks of vacation.

now you know 2 oh yeah and 300 others.

Now Diesel. When are you gonna learn to pay attention. You know you can't compare fractional pay to Corporate pay.... How many times has G 200 and H2 told you that.

 

[Diesel]

Sorry i know better than that. It was the late night at platinums in SAT that made me post that.

Stupid free entry with room key.

not a corp pilot... stop reading corp board.... not corp pilot.... stop reading corp board...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Now Diesel. When are you gonna learn to pay attention. You know you can't compare fractional pay to Corporate pay.... How many times has G 200 and H2 told you that.

HEY WAIT!

when did you guys start making NBAA pay? -- I know "after perdiem and back pay..." we all heard it.

the saddest part gunfyter -- you really feel like you won.

Stop comparing yourself to 50K Legacy pilots and commuter trash....."rise that ship" like your wacky a$$ leader keeps saying.

 

[Diesel]

Remember NBAA pay is not for fractional pilots

I take the whole summer off. 3 weeks of vacation on the 7n7 turn into 7 weeks off. I know my schedule for the next 5 years. I have no office duties and i'm not at the whim of a ceo to sell the department or needs all his red pens in one drawer. Think MBNA.

I did win. I got a 55 percent payraise. I'm working less days a month than before and i got a 40k check on top of it. Plus the scope to keep my work MY work.

I don't consider per diem my pay. So i'm not going to enter that argument.

159 scheduled days a year. I'll take that plus 96k and the summer off.

Oh and you'll notice i didn't consider OT either because that can be taken away. Apples to apples.

 

[HMR]

I don't get it...

Why is it that all of the "Pilot Pay" threads on FI are chock full of guys making 50K to fly Legacy's (WTFO?) or 75K for the Citation X, Falcon2000, etc? Meanwhile, EVERY SINGLE corp pilot I know (i.e. close, personal friends) is making AT LEAST NBAA average or above. Sometimes WAY above.

Did you guys do any research on salaries before you took these lowball jobs?

A few examples:

Last year, I gave some salary info to an FI member interviewing for a King Air 350 job. He negotiated 75K+ bennies. FOR A KING AIR!

There's a midwest based PT91 Astra operator (the CP is a member here) who starts his Captain's at 95K + 10% year end bonus + bennies. That's for a guy off the street.

A few months ago I was offered an Astra job out of Chicago. Starting pay? $100K + bennies. (LeadSled can back me up on this one)

I have alot more examples if you want them.

FYI- I have less time than most of you so it's not like I have a lot of bargaining power. When I went looking for a new job I did some homework, went to 5 different interviews and chose the one with the best QOL. My definition of QOL includes; pay, location, schedule, stability of the dept, co-workers etc. And LegacyDriver, please don't tell us (AGAIN) that you're happy to fly a heavy jet for 50K because you don't work that hard and it's better than what you made flying 121.

 

[HMR]

Diesel- Congrats on the new payscale. You guys bust your butts and deserve a fair wage.

BUT... Please don't compare the Fracs to a good Corp gig. (Haven't we beaten this horse before?) There's no comparison in pay, schedule, time off or any other aspect of QOL.

The important thing is, you're happy with your job. That seems to be a rare emotion for pilots on FI.