Citation X pay???

[Diesel]

There's no comparison in pay, schedule, time off or any other aspect of QOL.

You're right you can't beat all the time off i have.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you needed a 100% pay raise to get in the ballpark.

That 40K was not a "christmas bonus" like all your BROTHERS think. It is a taxable slap in the face way of saying "thanks for giving me your a$$ for the last 7 years" from Uncle Warren.

He underpaid you 50K/yr then bought you off at about 6K/yr

"a rising tide lifts all ships" she says.


:laugh: <------ thats Warren.




and yes, if you are happy and feel you have won....well.....YOU HAVE!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Stop comparing yourself to 50K Legacy pilots and commuter trash....."rise that ship" like your wacky a$$ leader keeps saying.

Wow, I knew I was unpopular but to be compared to "commuter trash" pains me.

 

[LegacyDriver]

FYI- I have less time than most of you so it's not like I have a lot of bargaining power. When I went looking for a new job I did some homework, went to 5 different interviews and chose the one with the best QOL. My definition of QOL includes; pay, location, schedule, stability of the dept, co-workers etc. And LegacyDriver, please don't tell us (AGAIN) that you're happy to fly a heavy jet for 50K because you don't work that hard and it's better than what you made flying 121.

Unfortunately, having only one type rating hurts my chances of going places. People weren't (and aren't) beating down my door for $50K a year much less the $90K you claim I'm worth. Everyone I know is in the same boat.

*shrug*

OTOH, when I fly next I will have worked 4 1/2 days out of the last 45. That's MAJOR QOL!!!!!!!!

Is it worth it to make $100K to be on a pager? Not in my book. YMMV, but I prefer bouncing my daughter on my knee for $56K/year to slaving myself away for $100K. (Looking at it another way, if this were a "full-time" job--which in many ways it is *NOT*, especially considering days off--I'd be making $112K a year and be ABOVE NBAA.)

It's not my fault everyone thinks a Legacy pilot is a glorified RJ driver. We're not, but that's the way it is.

 

[501261]

I don't know a single X driver over $75K a year.

WOW.

I'm willing to bet that most of the 750 drivers that you know work for the same management company that is underpaying you!

For the record the only 750 pilot that I personally know, was making $115K in 2000 and threating to quit because he was woefully underpaid. He's still there so I bet he got a bump.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I take that back. I know of a few that make $82K a year in a PURE Part 91 (NOT mixed) flight department. My bad--I brain dumped that. But still FAR FAR below what you guys think they're worth.

So $82K for a X Captain in a pure Part 91 environment. You telling me they're the exception?


Where was your buddy who made $115K a year living? Perhaps that's the difference (he was in NY or CA vs. TX or OK).

 

[501261]

Where was your buddy who made $115K a year living? Perhaps that's the difference (he was in NY or CA vs. TX or OK).

I can't say, it would give his identity away, seriously. But it's not a high cost of living area, and his QOL was excellent.

 

[SCT]

I'm not saying there are not X pilots making 115-120K on the east/ west coast.....but I still think that is on the high end of the salary range. Good for them, though!
Somebody needs to pull out the NBAA survey and settle this "?"

 

[HMR]

OTOH, when I fly next I will have worked 4 1/2 days out of the last 45. That's MAJOR QOL!!!!!!!!

Is it worth it to make $100K to be on a pager? Not in my book. YMMV, but I prefer bouncing my daughter on my knee for $56K/year to slaving myself away for $100K. (Looking at it another way, if this were a "full-time" job--which in many ways it is *NOT*, especially considering days off--I'd be making $112K a year and be ABOVE NBAA.)

LegacyDriver- I thought you flew corporate? You do 135 also? Can we just clarify something once and for all: If you fly 99 PT91 trips and 1 PT135 trip YOU FLY CHARTER! Do you take a PT91 or PT135 checkride at recurrent? If it's PT135, YOU FLY CHARTER! The jobs I was referencing are pure PT91 ops.

Glad your daughter gets to bounce off dad's knee. That's cute. You always say your pay sucks then come back with some rediculous excuse for why it's OK- "Well if it was a full-time job..." (HUH?!). Or, it's better than "slaving myself away for 100K" (double-HUH?!). What are you talking about? I fly a smaller jet make ALOT more money and work ALOT less than you do. Give us a break.

 

[h25b]

Legacy Driver has the same problem we had when I was working at a place with a Saab corporate shuttle. The only industry standard we had to for compensation purposes were the regional airlines. Yeah right... So we were just forced to go with the Hawker 800 numbers. It was like the Saab didn't even exist.

 

[HMR]

There's no comparison in pay, schedule, time off or any other aspect of QOL.

You're right you can't beat all the time off i have.

My stats for 2005:

Number of days flying= 48
RON's= 19
Total Hrs= 144.4 (including 27.8hrs for Hurricane Katrina Relief flying).
Number of days on call= ZERO

FWIW- I know at least 3 other guys locally with the same schedule who make more money than I do.

Does that beat your Frac QOL? If not, can you walk my resume in?

 

[SCT]

HMR,

Ride that wave while it lasts..

 

[Diesel]

48 days in a year.

got me beat by a long shot and i've spent a lot of time on fmla.

Actually i have a friend that i know. His last flight was october of 2004. Makes 66k jus to sit at home and relax. pretty wild.

 

[HMR]

HMR,

Ride that wave while it lasts..

Thanks. If this job's a "wave", it's lined up more like Rincon or J-Bay than Pipeline.

 

[some_dude]

To be fair to LegacyDriver, I, too, have taken less money in order to have a job where I work less. In fact, that's my preferred situation.

Not having to work too much and being able to live where I want is worth some money to me.