Citation X Info

[HawkerF/O]

"The "X" is the fastest bizjet between 2 service centers.........."



We have over 1500 hrs on our mid 150 serial number "X" and have had absolutly no major problems with the plane. Like any new a/c, the early ones had some issues. And even if a X did have to stop for maintenance at a Cessna Service Center........it still would beat the Hawker!!!

Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost.

 

[Kingairrick]

LRC is about .80 to .82


Problem with a falcon 50 is LRC is like .74 or .75.

Yeah, but we can do 3000 miles at .80, don't have to do LRC...

 

[Senior_Citizen]

Yeah, but we can do 3000 miles at .80, don't have to do LRC...

Bombardier NBAA IFR nubers says the CL300 can do 3100NM at .80 w/8 passengers and 2 crew.

Also Cessna NBAA IFR nubers says the Ce750 can do 2950NM at .82 w/8 passengers.

CL300 cost about the same than the C.X and DOCs are lower, rommier cabin, an better field performance, maintenaince oriented design (all LRU can be repalced in 20 minutes, single slot flaps ...) as I see is a no brain decision.

Of course the C.X is a mature airframe, the CL300 could have undetected "surpises", this is the only C.X. advantage (and the speed).

I'll consider for a 3000 nm service a plane with at least 3600 nm range at full load and in hot day: Bombardier CL604 or Dassault Falcon 2000EX EASY, but if you have field length or budget restictions the Da-50EX can do the job.

 

[simbo]

"Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost."
Is the crosswind issues with the X due to the upwind wing-tip clearance from the ground?

 

[HawkerF/O]

Roger That!

"Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost."
Is the crosswind issues with the X due to the upwind wing-tip clearance from the ground?

 

[PseudoName]

Roger That!

So, you have lots of time in the X, HawkerF/O?

That's right, didn't think so!

 

[Doug Parker]

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All you guys pushing the C300 - Don't forget about the wonderful and professional service that is always (read - never) done properly at those Bombardier Service Centers.







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[miles otoole]

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All you guys pushing the C300 - Don't forget about the wonderful and professional service that is always (read - never) done properly at those Bombardier Service Centers.






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Maybe because many (read: most) corporate flight departments are soon to be in the process of transitioning from the X to the 300.

 

[xjetav8er]

More runways

We operate an early model X and have had very little maintenence issues. We operated a 650 before the X and it was in the shop about twice as much as the X. It is not a fun airplane to fly and feels like you are flying a video game.
The best part about flying the X is that many airports have a special runway to use that has a big X painted on each end.

 

[Diesel]

Crosswinds aren't bad in the airplane. You just know have to fly it differently than any other airplane. 727 guys do a great job because the wing clearances are the same.

Land in a crab and let the big trailing link take care of the rest.

 

[750driver]

Most maintenance issues involve false CAS messages( there are like 300+ messages you can get).

Most of our mx. issues revolved around electrical sensor glitches and CAS messages as Cezzna stated. Otherwise our X's were fine mechanically, but keep in mind ... we were flying these aircraft 800-900 hrs/ yr. IMO, Cessna never intended for these aircraft to be run like regional jets. Mx. issues are bound to come up.

Overall, I enjoyed flying the X

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

US Bank grounded their Citation X's over what the pilots felt to be safety issues and are now supported by TAG.

GV

You knew about that rudder issue? What was your opinion on how that went down?

Ace

 

[smokinhole]

You knew about that rudder issue? What was your opinion on how that went down?

Ace

Ace,

What's the scoop on this? Upper rudder problem? I have'nt heard anything about this.

S.H.

 

[Senior_Citizen]

Ace,

What's the scoop on this? Upper rudder problem? I have'nt heard anything about this.

S.H.

The fuel line abrased by the rudder's wires.

 

[smokinhole]

The fuel line abrased by the rudder's wires.

Thanks, this is news to me. Am I correct in assuming this was delt with by Cessna and corrected in later serial numbers? We run two late model (2003 & 2004) X's and I have'nt come across any mention of this issue before now. It must have really scared the crap out of someone to get them to sell the A/C.

We fly ours on average of 600-800 hrs a year with an above average number of cycles and they have great dispatch reliability. I've been in the aircraft a year and have only been unable to fly a trip once due to a stuck start valve. The reliability and maintenence on the X has been no worse than any other aircraft I've operated. And by the way......the wing tip clearance issue is a non-issue. The plane just takes a certain technique with heavy crosswinds.

S.H.