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FlexNoMore

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Looking at adding a "X" to current fleet. Have heard all the sales talk and praise. Looking for any insight offered about life in,around and with the "X".

Thanks.......FNM
 

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Several guys I know that fly it call it the "fastest thing between service centers"....if that tells you anything. :D
 

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Which number are you looking at. Early model numbers have some serious problems. Plus they have to carry balast fuel.
 

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If we do acquire an "X" it willl be a new aircraft acquisition, aircraft will be based overseas, I have prevously heard unkind things about the "X's" reliability.

Interested in range at LRC vs high mach cruise, what is LRC mach number, never hear anyone talk about that number. Are 3000 NM legs real at LRC Westbound as well as Eastbound.

Thanks or the help.....FNM
 

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LRC .... in a X? I though guys bought those for speed. Wanna go 3000 nm every day then a Falcon 50EX would be a great ticket. Nicer more quite cabin as well. Less MX issues as well.

I know, boss wants to go fast, right? ,) :)
 

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I fly a LJ-60 with a guy who is a "X" captian as well, and he said there really isn't a LRC, you just go higher for a better fuel burn. Don't know if that really helps.
 

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Shamus said:
I fly a LJ-60 with a guy who is a "X" captian as well, and he said there really isn't a LRC, you just go higher for a better fuel burn. Don't know if that really helps.
And what if the jet stream hitting him in the face is higher?
 

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LRC is about .80 to .82

Plan on about 6hrs and then landing with about 3000lbs in the tanks. You can go farther if you want. I like to land with 2000lbs in the tanks. 3000 just makes me smile.

Problem with a falcon 50 is LRC is like .74 or .75.

3000 every day. probably not going to happen. I do know a guy that runs a X from south america to MIA twice a month.

He starts out at 470 then drifts up to 490 or 510. 8.5hrs in the seat.
 

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Long range cruise is .82, don't know the fuel burn numbers off the top of my head. We regularly do a 2600 NM leg, it's also South america to the US so really no wind issues on that route. It's a six hour flight sometimes as low as 5.5. Higher is better in this airplane. 430, 450, 470 are the regular altitudes. You won't do 92 at those altitudes though, more like 88 or 490 KTAS. LRC is about 460 KTAS if I remeber correctly. At 450 and 88 you'll see about 800 pph per side. 3000 miles against a 100 jet probably wouldn't work too well. It has an NBAA 3400 mile range but that is NBAA perfect numbers crap. If you fly it on a route (like in South america) where you can descend when you want, it may be possible, but a falcon 900 or a 50 EX may fit the bill better. Ours has been pretty dependable lately. Most maintenance issues involve false CAS messages( there are like 300+ messages you can get). Occasionaly the only way to clear them is to completely depower the airplane and start over. It needs a CTL-ALT-DEL on the panel. Mechanically agreat airplane but more computerized than it needs to be.
 
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You Should consider tha Chalenger300 and the Gulfstream G200, the roomier cabin will be a high value item on 3000 nm trips, but consider a longer range a/p if you're routes winds may no help some times (a Da2000/2000EX or a Gulf G-350 or a Challenger 604).
 

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The 300 LRC and HSC are both .80 so no compromising speed for stretching the range. From what I remember hearing it has a flat floor and loves the short runways-no engine TBO either.
 

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GM is replacing their Citaion X's with Gulfstream G350's because their Cessnas are unreliable.

US Bank grounded their Citation X's over what the pilots felt to be safety issues and are now supported by TAG.

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What were the issues with X?

The only ones that I have heard were of the early ones with the seals?

Got outta Bern. Who would have figured IFR issues in August. Live and learn :)
 

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The "X" is the fastest bizjet between 2 service centers..........
 

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"The "X" is the fastest bizjet between 2 service centers.........."



We have over 1500 hrs on our mid 150 serial number "X" and have had absolutly no major problems with the plane. Like any new a/c, the early ones had some issues. And even if a X did have to stop for maintenance at a Cessna Service Center........it still would beat the Hawker!!!
 

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SCT said:
"The "X" is the fastest bizjet between 2 service centers.........."



We have over 1500 hrs on our mid 150 serial number "X" and have had absolutly no major problems with the plane. Like any new a/c, the early ones had some issues. And even if a X did have to stop for maintenance at a Cessna Service Center........it still would beat the Hawker!!!
Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost.
 

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Diesel said:
LRC is about .80 to .82


Problem with a falcon 50 is LRC is like .74 or .75.
Yeah, but we can do 3000 miles at .80, don't have to do LRC...
 
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Kingairrick said:
Yeah, but we can do 3000 miles at .80, don't have to do LRC...
Bombardier NBAA IFR nubers says the CL300 can do 3100NM at .80 w/8 passengers and 2 crew.

Also Cessna NBAA IFR nubers says the Ce750 can do 2950NM at .82 w/8 passengers.

CL300 cost about the same than the C.X and DOCs are lower, rommier cabin, an better field performance, maintenaince oriented design (all LRU can be repalced in 20 minutes, single slot flaps ...) as I see is a no brain decision.

Of course the C.X is a mature airframe, the CL300 could have undetected "surpises", this is the only C.X. advantage (and the speed).

I'll consider for a 3000 nm service a plane with at least 3600 nm range at full load and in hot day: Bombardier CL604 or Dassault Falcon 2000EX EASY, but if you have field length or budget restictions the Da-50EX can do the job.
 
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"Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost."
Is the crosswind issues with the X due to the upwind wing-tip clearance from the ground?
 

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Roger That!

simbo said:
"Except in fuel burn, DOCs, crosswinds, and aquisition cost."
Is the crosswind issues with the X due to the upwind wing-tip clearance from the ground?
 
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