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superpilot: didn't you just get on with XJ? of course you are still excited. The fact is that you are something like 2500 out of 2700 pilots right now. Upgrade is no where in sight and you are working at a place with too many 50 seaters... a place that could easily be downsized within the next couple of years.

You reek of flight instructor turned 22yo excited regional airline pilot. A few months with a regional and you have all the answers.
 
quote=generaltso]superpilot: didn't you just get on with XJ? of course you are still excited. The fact is that you are something like 2500 out of 2700 pilots right now. Upgrade is no where in sight and you are working at a place with too many 50 seaters... a place that could easily be downsized within the next couple of years.

You reek of flight instructor turned 22yo excited regional airline pilot. A few months with a regional and you have all the answers.[/quote]

First off I work for XJT not XJ. Wrong airline goober.

The Fact is you dont know the first thing about me or my seniority number so STFU. This job may be about the excitement for you but My job isnt about excitement its about supporting my wife and son. You just sound like you want bad things to happen to my company and keep expressing it. Dont down play me because i am not some 22 yr old pilot factory kid. I earned my job by working hard for it and graduating college and i paid for my own ratings.

Please elighten us on your background, what airline are you at because you have all of the answers obviously.
 
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Vladimir Lenin said:
super, go take your lithium pills

and maybe kick your kid

you're a pilot, not a brain surgeon, most of us went to college
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go take some ritalin a$$, i will let my kid piss in your face.

I wasnt pretending that i was in anyway better than anyone else. dont be so sensitive homey.
 
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Vladimir Lenin said:
dayum, son, you got some serious issues with golden showers
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You figured me out!! You know what its the picture in your avitar it makes me think of golden showers. I dont know what it is about it. :)
 
You know, everytime I read a post that refers to the CAL/XJT CPA and how XJT is going to lose their flying, it just reeks of sour grapes to me. The regional industry is in the crapper right now, what with furloughs, alter-ego companies, wage concessions, etc, and there are a lot of regional pilots who can't stand to see any other pilot group hanging in there. Right now, XJT pilots aren't doing too bad. SO WHAT? Why does that burn some of you so badly?? Can't you just be happy for them?

Things aren't perfect at XJT, of course. But every time I turn around, I see yet another post from someone OTHER than an XJT pilot saying that the company will furlough or you'll never upgrade or you'll lose your flying in two years or CHQ/Mesa/whoever will take your flying from you. It's like being in the playground of a Kindercare. You all have absolutely zero knowledge of what's going to happen at XJT down the road - none of us do. Those posts really do come across as a perverted sort of jealousy.

Personally, I am dismayed when I read about furloughs going on at ABC airlines. I'm also thrilled when I hear that another pilot group is doing well in some area. We are all pilots here and forget that we're supposed to be on the same side. Perhaps all this petty "you work for a loser airline" stuff is just a branching out of the non-unionized, alter-ego airline crap where we all just stab each other in the back. Either way, it sucks.

rant over, sorry.



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From name calling, to telling someone that their kid will piss on your face...



I love the level of maturity on this board.
 
Dont read it then! Its just good healthy Whining.
Slowly click the X in the top right hand corner and back away!!!!!
 
Superpilot92 said:
Dont read it then! Its just good healthy Whining.
Slowly click the X in the top right hand corner and back away!!!!!
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go take some ritalin a$$, i will let my kid piss in your face.
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That doesn't sound like whinning. That sounds like someone utterly immature and p*ssed off.

Oh well, do as you please.
 
Pedro said:
Why did you stay then? I know anything can happen, but if that was my point of view I would have bailed given the chance. Granted you have more job security than a new hire, but when it rains, it pours, and if thing go south here it will be bad for everyone.
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I stayed because I still have confidence in this place. (what am I smokin right). I knew this period was going to be rough. I've been the guys saying for years this IPO crap is a shiit sandwich. But truth is that by going to CAL I wouldn't break even for 7-8 years. Which in my mind is an eternity. I think it's rather amusing that we see what has happened in the regionals but don't think it could happen to us. Sure we have a better product than Mesa but it'll still be thrown in our face that they are cheaper.

Honestly the junior folks should hope more guys think like me. In the near future we MAY (the following is based on my opinions and not any other information) be facing pay/work rules cuts and furloughs. It's no secret that CAL has little use for 37 seat a/c. Of which we have 30. Of which represents 300 pilots. We have a choice, adjust our contract to become more competitive or lose flying. From where I'm sitting on the seniority list why should I care? Lots of guys in my spots would vote no for any changes and let them furlough 300/500....or 1000 or 1500 pilots. Either way I'd still be at the top. I'd just go from the top 5% to the top 12%. But I can look at the big picture, try to keep this place alive and with as many pilots as possible. Or say, F it, last one out hit the lights. I'm not sure.

Something will need to be done to appese CAL. Hopefully we can do it through things like fuel savings, APU use, great product etc etc. But when the time comes we will have a choice to make. I for one will look at it from every angle. I will choose based on fact/reality and not emmotion. This is a great place to work. I'd recomend that anyone try to work here, however under the current situation with the renegotiations of the CPA and the possibilities of reduced flying I think someone who got hired here today may well be furloughed in a year. If there are other safer options availible I'd look at it. It doesn't change the fact this is still about the best regional and the best contract to work under.
 
Flyer1015 said:
That doesn't sound like whinning. That sounds like someone utterly immature and p*ssed off.

Oh well, do as you please.
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Nope no one is pissed off here. Nor immature i am just giving him a hard time. Relax Fracis
 
I work for expressjet and I sometimes worry about losing my job. But I don't think you can take a realistic look at any other regional airline and feel totally safe if you work there. Eagle - 10 year upgrade and flow backs, Comair - furlough, Mesaba - furlough, Pinnacle - probably furlough, TSA - g0-lets, ASA - bought by skywest, Chita - 3 bankrupt airlines emb-170's (ie.emb-135's), Air Wis - no more UA, Mesa - enough said, ACA - well, anyway you get the point. Anyone who is so junior that they might lose their job (myself included) should probably not be too worried about the pay cut. I'm not gonna run around like a chicken without a head because I "might" lose my $21,000 a year job. I have friends at most of the other regionals and I hope they all can keep there jobs and make a living. Good luck to everyone, we are ALL in a pretty bad place.
 
profit

I dont know what other regionals have been doing, but xjet made 25 million last quater, which makes me feel good about getting hired there last week, considering the regional I work for now (mainline lost 29 million) and I dont want to end up like chicago express and get cutoff. I know I have that new hire excitement but it seems like xjet is one of the places to be they are actually making money.
 
generaltso said:
Never applied to XJT. I'm one of those people who didn't want to shoot myself in the foot with trying to get on at CAL by going to XJT.
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I seriously doubt you were ever in a position that allowed you the foresight to see avoiding XJT will get you to CAL sooner. Besides back before 9/11 almost all put American and Delta at the top of the wish list and CAL somwhere near the bottom, so I highly doubt this claim. A little over five years ago if given the chose between CHQ and Coex the answer was overwhelmingly easy. CHQ was flying more Saabs then ERJ's and worked for TWA and US Air. Coex had 175+ firm orders. All you can do is make the best educated guess and then hang on for dear life. If the CHQ pilots dig their heels in next contract round then that great low cost advantage will whittle away. Guess CHQ will be a radically different company in 2-3 years.
 
ExpressJet MEC Update
November 4, 2005

Good afternoon ladies and gentleman. This is XJT MEC Chairman Phil
Lomness with an ExpressJet MEC update for Friday, November 4, 2005. There
is 1 item for review.


Item 1: XJT Special MEC Meeting

The XJT MEC has planned a Special MEC Meeting for Monday, November 7,
at 1300, at the IAH Sheraton on JFK Blvd. This meeting is scheduled to
adjourn Tuesday, November 8, at 1630. The agenda will include a
Company update of the status of its negotiations with Continental regarding
the Capacity Purchase Agreement since the last MEC meeting (discussed in
the Chairman’s update of October 8, 2005). Other business will include
Policy Manual Review and Changes and approval of the 2006 XJT MEC
Budget.

Thank you, and fly safely.


EXTEND THE CPA in exchange for profit sharing is my guess!!!!!
 
sorry I'm late...

What did I miss?

Who's bashing who?

This should be good AGAIN for the very first time.

...pulls up the chair, and puts some popcorn in the mic...:)
 
Not to sh.t on anybody's parade,but I came to XJT from another airline (the one that filed Chp. 11 today). All I've got to say about XJT is Class. Movement is great (reserve 2 months, relief 2 months, hard line) ability to trip-trade is amazing, great crews,awesome destinations, clean hotels, top notch training etc.Oh yeah, have I mentioned that nobody has mentioned the word "furloughed " in the short 7 months that I have been here. On the other hand, my friends at CHQ (especially on the E-145) have mentioned a totally different perspective about their place. Come to your own conclusions.
 
Do you want to be an all out slut or a girl that puts out a lot if you know her? Either way you gonna get the long one in the wrong one.

EB
 
Tooslow said:
ExpressJet MEC Update
November 4, 2005

Good afternoon ladies and gentleman. This is XJT MEC Chairman Phil
Lomness with an ExpressJet MEC update for Friday, November 4, 2005. There
is 1 item for review.


Item 1: XJT Special MEC Meeting

The XJT MEC has planned a Special MEC Meeting for Monday, November 7,
at 1300, at the IAH Sheraton on JFK Blvd. This meeting is scheduled to
adjourn Tuesday, November 8, at 1630. The agenda will include a
Company update of the status of its negotiations with Continental regarding
the Capacity Purchase Agreement since the last MEC meeting (discussed in
the Chairman’s update of October 8, 2005). Other business will include
Policy Manual Review and Changes and approval of the 2006 XJT MEC
Budget.

Thank you, and fly safely.


EXTEND THE CPA in exchange for profit sharing is my guess!!!!!
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Ya I wish!
 
nimtz said:
I seriously doubt you were ever in a position that allowed you the foresight to see avoiding XJT will get you to CAL sooner.
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Sorry your wrong. It didn't take much foresight, really. Common sense. I remember it well. Back then, everyone was saying "I'll go to CoEx and then flow up to CAL within 2 years". Yeah.

It wasn't that CAL was on the top of the list, it was the fact that I wanted to keep my options open.
 
generaltso said:
Sorry your wrong. It didn't take much foresight, really. Common sense. I remember it well. Back then, everyone was saying "I'll go to CoEx and then flow up to CAL within 2 years". Yeah.

It wasn't that CAL was on the top of the list, it was the fact that I wanted to keep my options open.
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Wow you must have the crystal ball everyone is looking for!! Get real.

You still havent told us where you currently work, its nice that you put down others companies but you arent proud enough to tell whom you work for. Fill us in
 
generaltso said:
Sorry your wrong. It didn't take much foresight, really. Common sense. I remember it well. Back then, everyone was saying "I'll go to CoEx and then flow up to CAL within 2 years". Yeah.

It wasn't that CAL was on the top of the list, it was the fact that I wanted to keep my options open.
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You make it sound like you actually waited around for a few select companies to hire you including CHQ whom I'm 99% sure you work for. Unless you had alot more time then needed for regionals you are full of BS. I went to XJT because they hired me first not because I ever bought into going to CAL in 2 years. A few guys did get flowover in two to three years, but most understood it wasn't a repeatable option. If CHQ would of rang first I would of headed over there eventhough it was tiny company with Saabs and a few jets feeding US Air and TWA.

BTW I would not be so smug about your 'common sense' getting you to CAL faster. I'd bet I've got alot more recommendations from CAL pilots whom I've actually flown with then you do. CAL is starting to hire XJT people for future classes. Time will tell if your 'common sense approach' rings true.
 
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I know a non PIG with an interview this month. Time to call all the flowbies I flew with the last 4 yrs or so.
 

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