CHQ E190's

[BoilerUP]

Why do regional pilots want their companies to fly bigger jets? Thats career suicide i think. We will all be regional pilots forever if you dont stop thinking this way. I want to fly a bigger plane to someday but not for 5 or 10 bucks more an hour. Downward spiral and its all of our faults if we dont do something about it. My 2 cents worth.

Why do some people assume CHQ pilots are dancing in the streets and ready to abbrogate their contract just to fly bigger planes because of this memo? Nobody wants to fly E-190s at RAH. I think its safe to say every pilot wants to see 90 seat and larger planes at mainline at mainline wages (many would say that about 70 seaters too). However, if those planes are going to be flown at the regional level, then RAH will fly them.

And if you *really* think that the pilot group of any airline would say "WE DON'T WANT GROWTH AND BIGGER AIRPLANES" and that'll keep them or another airline from flying them, I've got some beachfront property to sell ya.

 

[nimtz]

Okay time for a fact check. Why is there an LOA in the first place? The contract has an established 90 seat pay rate, so what membership approval must exist to fly these 'little' airplanes?

Tell you what IBT if you guys do start flying 190's you better have your sh!t together in '07 when Bedford has to go back to the table. We are screwing this profession if collectively we allow Jetblue rates be the new benchmark for 90-100 seats. You'll have my support both morally and monetarily if need be.

 

[StarChecker]

Okay time for a fact check. Why is there an LOA in the first place? The contract has an established 90 seat pay rate, so what membership approval must exist to fly these 'little' airplanes?

Our current LOA allows for 32 J4J airplanes. This 190 deal will exceed that number, so it requires our approval to increase the number of J4J aircraft on property.

Our pilot group is unified in that we do NOT want these airplanes. We have so many issues with the company not following our contract, that we intend to use this vote as leverage to get our contractual issues settled before we vote to accept these aircraft.

It also doesn't require a genius to see that if we don't fly these airplanes...someone else will and for cheaper(Mesa). Rest assured...if we vote yes to this...we will be getting a lot more from the company than just more airplanes.

 

[BenderGonzales]

yeah right. Apparently you dont actually SPEAK to your F/Os -- 99% of whome would step on their own mother to get an upgrade.

Chautauqua Airlines: Some call it Shiny-Jet-Syndrom - We call it, "Our Only Shot at Flying the Big Rigs"

 

[BenderGonzales]

disregard.

 

[Elvis77]

I feel AWAC has a very good chance of operating these 25 aircraft if they want them. They are the only regional to have a seat on the board and even put up 125million, second largest owner in US Airways. My money is on AWAC!

 

[pilotpayne]

I don't know it would be a whole new type for us.
I would hope so but chautauqua always seems to sneak in somewhere.
I think this bb guy is pretty shrewd, I just hope the boys in appleton don't let this one go as well.

 

[lionflyer]

I feel AWAC has a very good chance of operating these 25 aircraft if they want them. They are the only regional to have a seat on the board and even put up 125million, second largest owner in US Airways. My money is on AWAC!

BS. AWAC may get CRJ900's but the 190's, I doubt it. The 3 Amigos are too damn conservative and I know CHQ can do it cheaper. But I can see it now. "Hey guys you have to fly them for 50 seat rates otherwise CHQ will get em all."

 

[superrav]

its time to grow some balls...

 

[Victor Meldrew]

BS. AWAC may get CRJ900's but the 190's, I doubt it. The 3 Amigos are too dang conservative and I know CHQ can do it cheaper. But I can see it now. "Hey guys you have to fly them for 50 seat rates otherwise CHQ will get em all."

Better not go for those P.O.S. CRJ 900's, E190 is better all round.

 

[Beechnut]

... because you've flown them both.


S.

 

[tie1on]

just remember, if you want bigger aircraft, go to the big boys. If you think you need to fly the e190, expect to be paid regional wages. I am not trying to flame you, but lowering the bar does'nt get you to the majors. Only lowereing the bar and lowering your career expectations.



I think the e190 will show up on a few major's lot, but only if the regional pilots make it too expensive on the crew side. ask for the moon to flyh it. Make sure you ask for pay rate equal to the majors,. SOmewhere around $150 per hour ca and $120 for fo

 

[PSAChiefPilots]

Hello,
If what you all are saying is true, it can't be good for us new hires at PSA. I am hoping that when the music stops after the merger news is formalize we will all have a place to sit.

Relax.

If you are online yet, come by my office, I'll explain it!
Good Luck,
PSACPSP

 

[RP170]

Why do some people assume CHQ pilots are dancing in the streets and ready to abbrogate their contract just to fly bigger planes because of this memo? Nobody wants to fly E-190s at RAH. I think its safe to say every pilot wants to see 90 seat and larger planes at mainline at mainline wages (many would say that about 70 seaters too). However, if those planes are going to be flown at the regional level, then RAH will fly them.

And if you *really* think that the pilot group of any airline would say "WE DON'T WANT GROWTH AND BIGGER AIRPLANES" and that'll keep them or another airline from flying them, I've got some beachfront property to sell ya.

Look at Jet Blue's 190 rates though. Those aren't mainline pay rates either. Those are regional rates. They are the same as CHQ's as far as captain rates go. I don't think you'll ever see these aircraft flown for mainline rates.

 

[Traumahawk]

yeah right. Apparently you dont actually SPEAK to your F/Os -- 99% of whome would step on their own mother to get an upgrade.

Chautauqua Airlines: Some call it Shiny-Jet-Syndrom - We call it, "Our Only Shot at Flying the Big Rigs"

You've got it alll figured out.

whome??

99% weren't even here when the last contract was signed, ignoramous.

 

[Jack Mahogoff]

Why do regional pilots want their companies to fly bigger jets? Thats career suicide i think. We will all be regional pilots forever if you dont stop thinking this way. I want to fly a bigger plane to someday but not for 5 or 10 bucks more an hour. Downward spiral and its all of our faults if we dont do something about it. My 2 cents worth.[/QUOTE

2 weeks ago (and many times before this) we had an MEC meeting in PHL and our (MDA/AAA) pilots and LEC reps tried to explain this too Mr. Pollock (AAA chairman) but all he could do was sit back in his chair dressed like he just came from the yatch club and swing his gavel around and looking totally uninterested in the whole deal.

I was almost going to jump from my chair and beat Mr.P over his mellon head with his gavel upon hearing some of the stuff that he said.

These guys aren't gonna learn until U contracts out the 737 and Airbus flying.

This is why i've been trying to say that the MDA and CHQ guys should get together and work something out so when U hits the remaining mainline guys with contracting out the 73's and bus's we can sit back and watch them scream bloody murder while we lay back in our chairs swing our gavels around like we could care less.

Well said Lear! I agree both pilot groups need to get together and arm ourselves for this upcoming battle.

What is the Company going to do for us to sweeten the deal? Bump pay rates (not likely), settle grievances, improve contract language, etc.

Although I believe the 190 should be a mainline aircraft flown by mainline crews at mainline rates, it is a fact that 190's are coming, like it or not. GECAS ordered 25 of them on 6-23-05. Wonder where they're going?

IMHO, BB's letter was simply posturing. This is a done deal as far as a/c orders go. The 25 orders for the E190 will enable Republic Airways Holdings to take all of the pilots from MDA in a J4J deal, which was discussed a few weeks ago when the asset sale/change of control issue first surfaced. BB said himself that in order to take all of the MDA guys, we would need at least 25 growth aircraft in addition to the current J4J agreement.

No matter what, we need to stick together on this and not waver. I believe the Company has something to gain but a lot more to lose on this and perhaps we can finally make a stand.

 

[LearLove]

Well said Lear! I agree both pilot groups need to get together and arm ourselves for this upcoming battle.

What is the Company going to do for us to sweeten the deal? Bump pay rates (not likely), settle grievances, improve contract language, etc.

Although I believe the 190 should be a mainline aircraft flown by mainline crews at mainline rates, it is a fact that 190's are coming, like it or not. GECAS ordered 25 of them on 6-23-05. Wonder where they're going?

IMHO, BB's letter was simply posturing. This is a done deal as far as a/c orders go. The 25 orders for the E190 will enable Republic Airways Holdings to take all of the pilots from MDA in a J4J deal, which was discussed a few weeks ago when the asset sale/change of control issue first surfaced. BB said himself that in order to take all of the MDA guys, we would need at least 25 growth aircraft in addition to the current J4J agreement.

No matter what, we need to stick together on this and not waver. I believe the Company has something to gain but a lot more to lose on this and perhaps we can finally make a stand.

I agree, I think it may just be some kind of ploy. And if it does happen then I rather work out some kind of integration instead of J4J because if the 190's do come there will never be any going back to mainline.

 

[Traumahawk]

Thats where I disagree... Integration. J4J was fair for the guys who are here now, and will be just as fair for the guys to come. If there is any integration, noone should be above the J4J guys that are already here.

 

[tie1on]

I appreciate the offer to come by and have it explained by a cp. I have better things to do with my time. I hope your career expectaions are what you expect. good luck.

e190 is not a regional A/c.

 

[surplus1]

I think its safe to say every pilot wants to see 90 seat and larger planes at mainline at mainline wages (many would say that about 70 seaters too). .

It sounds like maybe you have missed the fact that "mainline wages" for this equipment are currently lower than "regional wages".

It may be "safe" to say what you said but it isn't accurate. Why would I want to fly this or any other airplane at "mainline" for less money?