Chick Fighter Pilots...

[stonewall]

O.k., I'm gonna get blasted for this one, but here goes. There is no doubt in my mind that a women can fly a fighter and fly it very, very well. This isn't about ability. What bugs me about women fighter pilots is I don't believe we should be sending women into combat...ever. Call me old school. I think a woman's strength is her innate ability to nurture and even though she may be able to set that aside and enter a combat scenario I think we cheapen ourselves as a nation and a society when we permit that. Just because she can doesn't make it right.

My only thought about the CFPA is this: Ladies, you can't have it both ways. If you want to be taken seriously as equals you gotta lose the 'chick' thing. If you want to be a 'chick' I don't want to hear any bitching next time tailhook comes around.

Incoming.......

I pretty much agree with you, and it has nothing to do with their ability to do the job. I just have serious questions about the group dynamics when you introduce women into the combat unit. I know, I know, we should all be enlightened yada yada yada.

However, what if Blue 2 is dating/married to Blue 3? Will he abandon his flight responsibilities to 1 if 3 is in trouble? Will the grunt behave differently on the battefield and take chances he might not otherwise take because a woman is next to him? Will men behave differently (i.e. try to take on the "protector" role) in a POW situation if women are there, too?

It's much more complicated than just saying "women can do the job." They can, and have proven they can. I'm just not completely sold on the idea.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I pretty much agree with you, and it has nothing to do with their ability to do the job. I just have serious questions about the group dynamics when you introduce women into the combat unit. I know, I know, we should all be enlightened yada yada yada.

However, what if Blue 2 is dating/married to Blue 3? Will he abandon his flight responsibilities to 1 if 3 is in trouble? Will the grunt behave differently on the battefield and take chances he might not otherwise take because a woman is next to him? Will men behave differently (i.e. try to take on the "protector" role) in a POW situation if women are there, too?

It's much more complicated than just saying "women can do the job." They can, and have proven they can. I'm just not completely sold on the idea.

Well, I think we should and can evolve with social dynamics in the combat unit.. Remember the shower scene in starship troopers!! Yeah!

What scares the hel! out of me is captured women. Torture is one thing for the fellows, but......

Thoughts...

 

[Deuce130]

Yeah, I agree it's about more than the simple fact women can do the job. It does say something about us when we send our women into combat, I think. With that said, I served with many women during OEF and OIF (I also married one of them) and they did a great job and did not hamper the dynamics of the flight crew. I think there's definitely a place for women in combat aircraft - just maybe not on the ground.

 

[Bjammin]

What scares the hel! out of me is captured women. Torture is one thing for the fellows, but......

Thoughts...

I don't know, I went to S.E.R.E with a few and truly didn't care if they were getting slapped around, etc. They knew what they were getting into when they joined and seemed to do very well in SERE while some tough dudes quit.
I know it's not the real thing, but I hope my surprising lack of emotion would be the same in actual condidtions.

I have also flown with them. Again, I treated them like any dude, if they messed up, I was pissed, if they did well I was happy.

I am very emothional when it comes to attrative, nice women, but when it comes to squadron chicks I seem to be able to treat them like just one of the guys.

BTW, that ELD chick "Gunna" was in PSAB with me and was "close" to one of my squadron mates, kidda funny to see her again.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

BTW, that ELD chick "Gunna" was in PSAB with me and was "close" to one of my squadron mates, kidda funny to see her again.

Like close formation?

 

[dtfl]

I pretty much agree with you, and it has nothing to do with their ability to do the job. I just have serious questions about the group dynamics when you introduce women into the combat unit. I know, I know, we should all be enlightened yada yada yada.

However, what if Blue 2 is dating/married to Blue 3? Will he abandon his flight responsibilities to 1 if 3 is in trouble? Will the grunt behave differently on the battefield and take chances he might not otherwise take because a woman is next to him? Will men behave differently (i.e. try to take on the "protector" role) in a POW situation if women are there, too?

It's much more complicated than just saying "women can do the job." They can, and have proven they can. I'm just not completely sold on the idea.

I went to lunch with a ESOG CC from OEF the other day - he told me about an MC crew (downstairs from Duece's Sq) comprised mostly of females. He said ALL they did was bicker and bitch and make snippy remarks to each other - he ran them out of the OPS center one night because of it. So..What if Blue 1 and 3 get into synch and are pissed at each other one night? Will they NOT cover each other because hormones are raging? Extreme example, but....refer back to what the CC told me at lunch.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

I would hit almost everyone of them, sober...
A few would take a couple of beers.

 

[Bjammin]

Like close formation?

Like "Missile away!"

 

[DaveGriffin]

Gotta go....the full length mirror needs windexing.imp:

Is that a polite term for 'buffin' the ol' sniper pod'?

 

[Gorilla]

Female fighter pilots... that's just wrong. Sorry.

When I left the USAF, the first crop of women were arriving at Holloman for fighter lead-in. I asked a bro still there "Whassup with the women? How they doing?"

"Well, you can't say F*&^ anymore, and they cry in the debrief. Other than that, just peachy."

 

[eatme]

Its not just the chicks that cry, some of the "younger" generation male pilots tear up during debriefs as well. yeech...

 

[thebest]

They want to be equal but they seperate themselves! THEBEST

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Its not just the chicks that cry, some of the "younger" generation male pilots tear up during debriefs as well. yeech...

[taken from Tom Hanks]

There's no crying in aviation....

 

[thebest]

I would hit almost everyone of them, sober...
A few would take a couple of beers.

Dude, I don't know.....some look pretty tough and might hit back! THEBEST

 

[bearcat]

I've ssen the web-site. All I got out of it is some she-ra got something up their a$$....

We have a chick in our squadron. She is one of the boys anbd can hold her own. I have heard of chics crying....that is a foul. This isn't the gucci image job that is portrayed on TV. Anyway, the chic in our squadron is pretty good.

Yes you are right, there are dudes who practically cry. The newer generations don't know how to ******************** the F#$% up and color. It is amazing all of the bickering that can occur during a debrief.

Now if we had a web site that was for the male fighter pilot...or for white air line pilots........