Chemtrails: holiday update

[Denver130]

ShawnC and the FAA

If you were an employee of the FAA and thousands of people all around the country call in concerning unusual jet contrails how would you respond?

1. Go back to bed and don’t bother me.
2. Jet contrails are just normal.
3. There’s nothing to be afraid of.
4. Don’t worry. Be happy.
5. Go visit the FAA web site. It says that jet contrails are just trails of ice crystals in the sky.

What would Joe Denver do if he was an employee of the FAA who received thousands of phone calls from concerned citizens about unusual jet contrails.

1. Find out what the definition of jet contrail is?
2. What are the physics required for jet contrails?
3. Ask citizens to get temp, humidity and altitude reference points from the airport?
4. Find out why they appear unusual?
5. Are they random or in patterns?
6. Is the climate in the region cold?
7. Do you normally see jet trails on a daily basis or is it sporadic?
8. What days of the week do you observe them the most?
9. Are you near an airport?
10. Write up a report and give them the reference number and follow up in two weeks.
11. Check homeland security bulletins to see if terrorism alert levels have changed.
12. Search the web for any known issues (that’s the computer techkie in me)
13. Make my own observations and record them so see if what I am seeing is similar to what other people are seeing. If there’s a match, then there’s more validity to citizen complaints.
14. Make a responsible value judgment and tell the truth. This issue may affect everyone.

 

[Denver130]

USA TODAY - article

1. Why are thousands of people calling?
2. What is the FAA's response?
3. What is the caliber of people calling?
4. Would they tell you the truth if there was an issue?

03/07/2001 - Updated 10:38 AM ET

Conspiracy theories find menace in contrails

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

A new conspiracy theory sweeping the Internet and radio talk shows has set parts of the federal government on edge.

The theory: The white lines of condensed water vapor that jets leave in the sky, called contrails, are actually a toxic substance the government deliberately sprays on an unsuspecting populace.


Federal bureaucracies have gotten thousands of phone calls, e-mails and letters in recent years from people demanding to know what is being sprayed and why. Some of the missives are threatening.

It's impossible to tell how many supporters these ideas have attracted, but the people who believe them say they're tired of getting the brush-off from officials. And they're tired of health problems they blame on "spraying."

"This is blatant. This is in your face," says Philip Marie Sr., a retired nuclear quality engineer from Bartlett, N.H., who says the sky above his quiet town is often crisscrossed with "spray" trails.

"No one will address it," he says. "Everyone stonewalls this thing."

The situation Marie and others describe is straight out of The X-Files. He and others report one day looking up at the sky and realizing that they were seeing abnormal contrails: contrails that lingered and spread into wispy clouds, multiple contrails arranged in tick-tack-toe-like grids or parallel lines, contrails being laid down by white planes without registration numbers.

Believers call these tracks "chemtrails." They say they don't know why the chemicals are being dropped, but that doesn't stop them from speculating. Many guess that the federal government is trying to slow global warming with compounds that reflect sunlight into the sky. Some propose more ominous theories, such as a government campaign to weed out the old and sick.

Exasperated by persistent questions, the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration joined forces last fall to publish a fact sheet explaining the science of contrail formation. A few months earlier, the Air Force had put out its own fact sheet, which tries to refute its opponents' arguments point by point.

"If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it's, 'Well, you're just part of the conspiracy,' " says atmospheric scientist Patrick Minnis of NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. "Logic is not exactly a real selling point for most of them."

Nothing is "out there" except water vapor and ice crystals, say irritated scientists who study contrails. Some, such as Minnis, are outraged enough by the claims of chemtrail believers that they have trolled Internet chat rooms to correct misinformation or have gotten into arguments with callers.

"Conspiracy nonsense," snorts Kenneth Sassen, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Utah. "These things are at 30,000 to 40,000 feet in the atmosphere. They're tiny particles. They're not going to affect anyone."

The cloud-forming contrails that conspiracy theorists find so ominous are "perfectly natural," Minnis says. The odd grid and parallel-line patterns are easily explained as contrails blown together by the wind, scientists say

 

[mizzouguy]

yeah northern ligghts the ils 1R at mci has dme fixes is spicy , barbq, and ribbs

 

[Denver130]

USA Today quote #1

USA Today quote #1

USA Today quote

"Conspiracy nonsense," snorts Kenneth Sassen, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Utah. "These things are at 30,000 to 40,000 feet in the atmosphere. They're tiny particles. They're not going to affect anyone."

1. Why can people photograph them like Denver under heavy cloud ceilings?

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/dec1102.html
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston16.html
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/GrandRapids1.html

 

[Denver130]

USA Quote #2

"The odd grid and parallel-line patterns are easily explained as contrails blown together by the wind, scientists say"

Nobody in their right mind would call those X's and gird's contrails
"blown together by the wind" at

www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrials

1. Why aren't they pencil thin?
2. Why are they lasting for hours if their just ice crystals.
3. Show me where in the topics of houston you find -70 degree temperatures at low atlitudes.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 3

"Federal bureaucracies have gotten thousands of phone calls, e-mails and letters in recent years from people demanding to know what is being sprayed and why. "

I'm sorry Shawn, repeating the offical "definition of a contrail" wont do. Putting chemtrails photos on the FAA site and calling them jet contrails is also a poor substitution for the truth.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 4

"This is blatant. This is in your face," says Philip Marie Sr., a retired nuclear quality engineer from Bartlett, N.H., who says the sky above his quiet town is often crisscrossed with "spray" trails.

"No one will address it," he says. "Everyone stonewalls this thing."

When nuclear engineers get into the fray, the FAA better have its ducks together. These people are experts at research and if there is an answer, they will find it.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 5

"He and others report one day looking up at the sky and realizing that they were seeing abnormal contrails: contrails that lingered and spread into wispy clouds, multiple contrails arranged in tick-tack-toe-like grids or parallel lines, contrails being laid down by white planes without registration numbers."

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People know their environment. They observe their environment. They have mental pictures of their environment. When a change occurs, they are aware of it.

The FAA "definition of a jet contrail" explaination is totally insufficent to explain what people are seeing and pilots "we see jet contrails everyday" is not very comforting.

 

[Denver130]

USA Todays Quote 6

"A new conspiracy theory sweeping the Internet and radio talk shows has set parts of the federal government on edge.

The theory: The white lines of condensed water vapor that jets leave in the sky, called contrails, are actually a toxic substance the government deliberately sprays on an unsuspecting populace."

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Did you find the word "government" in that quote? Is there any government document that specifically references the issue of chemtrials? YES

HR 2977

Hard to believe but its there. Dennis wrote it and he took it to the next level by stating that "despite government denials, the chemtrail program exists" - Columbus Alive Newspaper

 

[mizzouguy]

u ever think the "x's" might be an intersection?