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Denver130:
Sorry to hear about your health problems.
The health issues you and some of your neighbors have been experiencing are not necessarily 1) caused by airborne chemicals and 2) statistically abnormal when compared with other communitities across the nation. Remember, in order to make this case, you've got to show that these suspicious atmoshpheric phenomenon cause (or are highly correlated with) health problems. Today, this would be a practically impossible task. Why? You'd have to collect data on chemtrail frequency nationwide. Unfortunately, there's no nationwide, standardized, scientific method for doing that at the moment.
As to the existence of chemtrails, here are a few thoughts:
1) If there exist documented cases of "contrails" existing where themodynamics does not predict their formation, then logically either it isn't a "contrail" or thermodynamics needs some tweaking.
2) If we assume that themodynamic theory is always correct in predicting contrail development, and these documented cases of abnormal "contrails" do exist, then these are not contrails. Then what are they? The only way we'll know for sure is to collect samples from these abnormal contrails and compare them against samples from normal contrails.
Can you show us some evidence of contrails existing where thermodynamics does not predict their formation? You'll need to show precise atmospheric conditions at the "contrail", then an official set of criteria for the development of contrails.
If it does turn out to be some sort of spraying sponsored by the military, I wouldn't be too surprised. The sheer volume of information the public doesn't know (or want to know) regarding certain elements of the gov't is beyond measure: JFK, TWA 800, UFOs, etc.
Anyway, in order for this chemtrail business to emerge from the fringes of conspiracy theories, precise, verifiable evidence must be collected and made public.
Sorry to hear about your health problems.
The health issues you and some of your neighbors have been experiencing are not necessarily 1) caused by airborne chemicals and 2) statistically abnormal when compared with other communitities across the nation. Remember, in order to make this case, you've got to show that these suspicious atmoshpheric phenomenon cause (or are highly correlated with) health problems. Today, this would be a practically impossible task. Why? You'd have to collect data on chemtrail frequency nationwide. Unfortunately, there's no nationwide, standardized, scientific method for doing that at the moment.
As to the existence of chemtrails, here are a few thoughts:
1) If there exist documented cases of "contrails" existing where themodynamics does not predict their formation, then logically either it isn't a "contrail" or thermodynamics needs some tweaking.
2) If we assume that themodynamic theory is always correct in predicting contrail development, and these documented cases of abnormal "contrails" do exist, then these are not contrails. Then what are they? The only way we'll know for sure is to collect samples from these abnormal contrails and compare them against samples from normal contrails.
Can you show us some evidence of contrails existing where thermodynamics does not predict their formation? You'll need to show precise atmospheric conditions at the "contrail", then an official set of criteria for the development of contrails.
If it does turn out to be some sort of spraying sponsored by the military, I wouldn't be too surprised. The sheer volume of information the public doesn't know (or want to know) regarding certain elements of the gov't is beyond measure: JFK, TWA 800, UFOs, etc.
Anyway, in order for this chemtrail business to emerge from the fringes of conspiracy theories, precise, verifiable evidence must be collected and made public.
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Chemtrails Under Clouds
I was out this morning for breakfast and you wont believe what I found? You guessed it! Chemtrails under clouds. Location I-10 and Barkercypress Rd, Houston, Texas. I posted them for your review at:
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston23.html
Also, I found some interesting satellite photos of Texas this morning that I think you should review as well. Let me know what you think. They're at
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston24.html
I was out this morning for breakfast and you wont believe what I found? You guessed it! Chemtrails under clouds. Location I-10 and Barkercypress Rd, Houston, Texas. I posted them for your review at:
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston23.html
Also, I found some interesting satellite photos of Texas this morning that I think you should review as well. Let me know what you think. They're at
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston24.html
Chemtrails and Area 51
Chemtrails and Area 51 in Nevada have several things in common. First, the government denied both. Second, it was through the use of photography that both were investagated with. A lawyer used satellite photography to win his case against the government for workers at Area 51 who were dying from exposure to chemicals burned in trenches. And Chemtrails will be admitted too in the future do to photography and science.
I wish in my heart of hearts this Christmas
that Chemtrails was false.
But when you wake up for breakfast in the morning with chemtrails easily viewed from your kitchen window, its awfully hard to deny. But as long as you have science, and mathematics and the powers of observation, you can come to no other conclusion.
Chemtrails and Area 51 in Nevada have several things in common. First, the government denied both. Second, it was through the use of photography that both were investagated with. A lawyer used satellite photography to win his case against the government for workers at Area 51 who were dying from exposure to chemicals burned in trenches. And Chemtrails will be admitted too in the future do to photography and science.
I wish in my heart of hearts this Christmas
that Chemtrails was false.
But when you wake up for breakfast in the morning with chemtrails easily viewed from your kitchen window, its awfully hard to deny. But as long as you have science, and mathematics and the powers of observation, you can come to no other conclusion.
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Once again, look at your photos closely and you can see the mid level cloud is BELOW the contrail. It's so visible and I'm only using your crappy little photos. Spend some time looking at this, you can see where the thicker parts of the clouds obscure the contrail.
Denver, I think you need a long holiday. You exhibit some neurological signs that aren't healthy. I don't trust the government that much either, but the photos you keep posting throw your arguments out the window. Until you really stop ignoring all the math posted here, and get in a plane, get air samples of these contrails - and normal contrails, then have a lab pour over the data can you really start spouting off what you claim. Also, you'd have to collect samples from all over the nation to really have a good random set. These junkie photos are hardly any evidence to create a basis for what you believe. By showing these simple photos as your base case, there is no weight whatsoever to this argument. I suggest finding some serious funding, rent some airplanes and air sample equipment and start collecting data which can then be audited by independent labs. Good luck and I'm curious as to the results. Merry Christmas. Try to relax a little. Get a good book and maybe a good bottle of wine and think about all this before getting so worked up about it. Until you can really prove anything with scientific data don't put yourself into a heartattack.
Once again, look at your photos closely and you can see the mid level cloud is BELOW the contrail. It's so visible and I'm only using your crappy little photos. Spend some time looking at this, you can see where the thicker parts of the clouds obscure the contrail.
Denver, I think you need a long holiday. You exhibit some neurological signs that aren't healthy. I don't trust the government that much either, but the photos you keep posting throw your arguments out the window. Until you really stop ignoring all the math posted here, and get in a plane, get air samples of these contrails - and normal contrails, then have a lab pour over the data can you really start spouting off what you claim. Also, you'd have to collect samples from all over the nation to really have a good random set. These junkie photos are hardly any evidence to create a basis for what you believe. By showing these simple photos as your base case, there is no weight whatsoever to this argument. I suggest finding some serious funding, rent some airplanes and air sample equipment and start collecting data which can then be audited by independent labs. Good luck and I'm curious as to the results. Merry Christmas. Try to relax a little. Get a good book and maybe a good bottle of wine and think about all this before getting so worked up about it. Until you can really prove anything with scientific data don't put yourself into a heartattack.
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Re: Chemtrails Under Clouds
Why is it impossible for contrails to exist under clouds? I'm no atmospheric physicist, but it seems as though different mechanisms are responsible for clouds vs. contrails. Aren't clouds essentially fog, whereas contrails are ice crystals formed around molecules of pollutants?
Typhoon1244:
Don't know what the hell your problem is, pal. Did you even bother to read my post? Show me where I made an illogical statement.
Denver130 said:
Why is it impossible for contrails to exist under clouds? I'm no atmospheric physicist, but it seems as though different mechanisms are responsible for clouds vs. contrails. Aren't clouds essentially fog, whereas contrails are ice crystals formed around molecules of pollutants?
Typhoon1244:
Don't know what the hell your problem is, pal. Did you even bother to read my post? Show me where I made an illogical statement.
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Most beautiful cons
As I was flying to Florida last night I saw a very nice pattern of contrails to the south. Of course, it's the kind of pattern that would make Denver absolutely crazy. It also happened to be well over the ocean, which only made me wonder... are we chemming fish now too? Talk about filling an ocean with an eyedropper!
As I was thinking about how idiodic Denver's claims are, I recalled one of the best contrail formations I've ever seen. Flying on the recovery from Northern Iraq across Turkey there was a tanker and a four-ship of Eagles in front of us. Everbody was at roughly the same altitude, so everybody's engines were creating cons. We were flying between the four cons created by the tactical formation of Eagles and just above the cons created by the tanker. It was really beautiful. Of course, I'm sure Denver can explain why we loaded F-15s up for combat and then added an extra few thousand pounds of chemicals to all the airplanes so we could chem the Kurds on the way back to base. Methinks it would have been smarter to dump the chemicals on the way out so that the Eagles would have been lighter for the fight. (Eagleflip--Any comments?) I'm sure we were conning too, but I left my chemgoo switch in the OFF position! Why waste the chems when everybody else ahead of me was already doing the job.
I've concluded this is like a religion for Denver. He will not let facts confuse his faith. Everybody is just wasting their time trying to explain reality to him. We could be having this same discussion about UFOs and swampgas...
That reminds me... My mother-in-law just can't believe that I've been a pilot for 22 years and never seen a UFO! I guess I just haven't been in the right place at the right time.
BTW, all the BBQ places in SYR are closed for Christmas, so we had to settle for Italian.
As I was flying to Florida last night I saw a very nice pattern of contrails to the south. Of course, it's the kind of pattern that would make Denver absolutely crazy. It also happened to be well over the ocean, which only made me wonder... are we chemming fish now too? Talk about filling an ocean with an eyedropper!
As I was thinking about how idiodic Denver's claims are, I recalled one of the best contrail formations I've ever seen. Flying on the recovery from Northern Iraq across Turkey there was a tanker and a four-ship of Eagles in front of us. Everbody was at roughly the same altitude, so everybody's engines were creating cons. We were flying between the four cons created by the tactical formation of Eagles and just above the cons created by the tanker. It was really beautiful. Of course, I'm sure Denver can explain why we loaded F-15s up for combat and then added an extra few thousand pounds of chemicals to all the airplanes so we could chem the Kurds on the way back to base. Methinks it would have been smarter to dump the chemicals on the way out so that the Eagles would have been lighter for the fight. (Eagleflip--Any comments?) I'm sure we were conning too, but I left my chemgoo switch in the OFF position! Why waste the chems when everybody else ahead of me was already doing the job.
I've concluded this is like a religion for Denver. He will not let facts confuse his faith. Everybody is just wasting their time trying to explain reality to him. We could be having this same discussion about UFOs and swampgas...
That reminds me... My mother-in-law just can't believe that I've been a pilot for 22 years and never seen a UFO! I guess I just haven't been in the right place at the right time.
BTW, all the BBQ places in SYR are closed for Christmas, so we had to settle for Italian.
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Santa
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to argue if there is a Santa Claus, given the holiday season? Heck, the evidence is all around us! I think I can defend Santa Claus with more data than Denver has on chemtrails. Besides, more people believe in Santa than believe in chemtrails, so they must be right!
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to argue if there is a Santa Claus, given the holiday season? Heck, the evidence is all around us! I think I can defend Santa Claus with more data than Denver has on chemtrails. Besides, more people believe in Santa than believe in chemtrails, so they must be right!
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