Cheap pilots

[Turtle21]

The sad thing is of all professions where perdiem is critical.. pilot is the most in my opinion as we're out so much. YET.. pilots for the most part get no where near what the IRS perdiem value is for where they go.. Take where I am now for example. EDDF (Frankfurt).. I'm getting a meager $55/day here,

Ouch, that sucks. I used to get $75 perdiem there in the early 90s.

 

[Guitar rocker]

So what? There are over 6 BILLION people on the planet, and you're worrying about what some D0UCHE pilot tips waiters and van drivers? The world would be a lot better place if folks would just MTOFB...

Well, you are right there. But the only thing is that there are some people that leave the rest of looking like idiots. For example, I flew with this one tool and about 75% of the time he would argue with the hotel receptionist when checking out over the most ridiculous thing. He got into a fight over a phone bill for 2.83 cents. And once at the Hilton in LAS he had a 22 dollar phone bill which resulted in an amazing confrontation with the manager at the desk infront of everyone. I flew with cptn that stuffed the mustards and mayos in his pocket at the fast food places. Same guy would take all of our money, pay with his credit card and not leave a tip.....but he took our tip money. Folks like these give us all a bad name.

 

[chuychanga]

You're not tipping for the van ride, you're tipping because they put your luggage in and back out of the van. If they don't do that and you stiff them then it's justfied. Otherwise you're are just a cheap bastard.

 

[hoover]

I am sorry, but a $100,000 or even a $130,000 a year job is not enough money for the above luxries, plus a family, plus saving for retirement, plus saving for college for the kids, plus a car for the wife, plus other costs associated with living a normal life.

I can't understand how some people can make 6 digits a year, but yet they can't afford to "live a normal life"? The most my wife and I ever made in one year was about 75K. We did all of the aforementioned things, and lived just fine. How is it that someone earning half again as much can't?

 

[1st Overnite]

You may not lose any sleep over them, but you sure got your little panties in enough of a wad to spend 10 minutes on here complaining about 'em. Your post sounded like a whiney flight attendant whose captain didn't offer to pay for her dinner. So the guy liked to save his money? BFD.

I'm not worried about Duke, Nancy. They haven't won a national championship in years, this one is no different...
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I gave you too much credit for being in a bad mood because of duke's basketball team. If your not in a bad mood because Duke lost, then you must be an @ss all of the time. I didn't spend 10 minutes typing to complain, it took me 5 minutes to make a comment (I type fast). Besides being as @ss, you must be one of the cheap pilots since you took offense to this post. Feel free to respond, but I'm done responding to you. You have made it obvious to everyone on this site the type of person you are.

 

[Itsallsogood]

.....and you kept track of it all. You're ready to upgrade!

No moron. I do seperate checks.

 

[Whataburger]

No moron. I do seperate checks.

On dates too?

 

[Quack]

There are a lot of pilots out there who are cheap. With that being said, that is the way we've been programmed from day one. Flight costs in excess of 60,000(unless you're lucky enough to have them paid for), working as a second class citizen at the regionals, and then covering costs of being on the road for 1/2-3/4 of the month.

 

[Itsallsogood]

On dates too?
I pay for everything on dates and I never go to Whataburger. It is "In and Out Burger" for me, or "In and Out _urge_." LOL

 

[ils2minimums]

You have made it obvious to everyone on this site the type of person you are.

Did you do a poll?

 

[radarlove]

At the risk of turning this into another mil/civ debate, I've noticed that the military guys are by far the worst at tipping. I've been trying to figure out why--it's not because they can't afford it, I think that there's just something that they HATE about tipping.

I've had lots of conversations where a military guy's eyes got wide and they said, "Do you have to tip them?"

So for whatever reason, those guys hate to tip. Maybe because they're cheap, or maybe because of something to do with their culture.

 

[BVT94]

No moron. I do seperate checks.

Just ask for your dollar back...Moron

 

[SkiFishFly]

Bs

I call bs on the post about mil guys.
Mil guys know how to tip and obtw - if you are retired mil you are drawing a pension and can afford to tip.
I am pretty generous with tips (unless the service is really poor) My dad owned a small family restaurant and I know what the job is like.
I wonder if a lot of people realize that wait staff at a lot of places don't even get paid minimum wage. Their tips are expected to bring them up to minimum.
I have to agree with the original post - I've flown with a few "cheap" capts over the last year. I've even met a few who will stay at a crappy hotel while in ATL just to save 20 a night - Cmon man loosen up a bit you are makin over 100k a year. Life is too short to put up with crap hotels and ********************ty beds.

 

[DrewBlows]

About the tipping hotel van drivers issue, not to be a d*ck, but you shouldn't have to pay anything at all when that kind of transportation is being done for your job. Your airline should cover that cost.

They do, it's called per diem. That's why it's not taxed.

 

[DrewBlows]

I flew with a Captain who bragged to Flight Attendants that he didn't have to spend any money on a four day trip. He lived on bologna sandwiches and free breakfast. Yum! What made me shake my head was that he would walk around the van driver to load and unload his own bags in order to avoid tips. I thought maybe it was an anomaly the first time, but I saw this bizarre behavior exhibited time and time again. "Pathetic" is the most appropriate word I think.

 

[radarlove]

I call bs on the post about mil guys.
Mil guys know how to tip and obtw - if you are retired mil you are drawing a pension and can afford to tip.
I am pretty generous with tips (unless the service is really poor) My dad owned a small family restaurant and I know what the job is like.

I think your experience is a little different, since you grew up in a tipping environment. I have yet to meet a single military pilot who ever worked in a tipped position. That's not to say that there aren't any, just that it's mighty rare. Civ guys that worked their way up the food chain seem to have a little more knowlege about why and how to tip.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Removed....

 

[El Pobre]

Hmmm,

O.K. I'll take the bait...Military guy here....I worked 40 hours a week in high school as a waiter (a tipping position) in order to afford college in order to afford my first year of college. Fortunately it panned out and I was able to get a scholorship for the last three years.

My experience with military guys, is that they tip just fine. I personally tip a bit higher than most (if the service is adequate) probably because I waited tables for so long. But all in all, the guys that I went on the road with tipped pretty well.

Since we're into it, I also notice that on layovers, former military guys are alot quicker and more generous about buying a few rounds of hops, than most of the civil only guys that I have flown with, not all but in general.

Anyhow, to get off this thread, here is a question that I have always had.

What is the proper amount to tip a driver to and from the airport? Assuming a 2 or a 3 man crew. I usually give 2-3 dollars for the whole crew when it's my turn to tip. (that's probably about .50 a bag, but the guys aren't bringing the stuff up to the room either). just wondering.

Final Point....guys are either good guys or jerks, regardless of background, every profession has more of the former and a few of the latter.

 

[El Pobre]

Wow! I should have read my post before hitting the send button, the spelling sucks and frankly the sentence structure isn't all that well either. I guys the ol' brain to fingers to keyboard connection is running a bit slow today.

Cheers!

 

[1st Overnite]

I think the amount a person tips doesn't depend on Mil or Civ, but on the jobs the individual had in the past. Guys that have worked for tips, generally tip more. But then there are the few that are really cheap because they are jerks.