Chataqua 2 yr upgrade?

[Sinca3]

You tellin me that someone that graduated lets say 1/02 is already a captain?


"You can tell that Delta Connection Academy is owned by an airline because it focuses on pilot training and orienting students to the airline operating environment," said Chautauqua Capt. Matthew Bell, a 2002 academy graduate. "The quality and breadth of the academy's programs helped me achieve my goal to be an airline pilot."

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040824/cltu009_1.html

 

[elguapo9]

Scary, isn't it. The rumor is that they are upgrading people at CHQ now that have been there about 1.5 years. I don't think anyone expects that to continue.

 

[flyingmoose1]

just wondering, why all the hub bub about a chq fo upgrading in less than 2 years. i know that is scary quick, but what is your basis? not trying to incite a riot.

 

[~~~^~~~]

just wondering, why all the hub bub about a chq fo upgrading in less than 2 years. i know that is scary quick, but what is your basis? not trying to incite a riot.

Probably because ASA Captains with five years are about to be displaced to the right seat as the ATR goes away. Some of these guys have been displaced twice, once off the E120, to the right seat, then flew the RJ and upgraded again on the ATR, just to see that airplane go away also, while CHQ RJ's are backfilling flying they used to perform.

If CHQ has a two year upgrade, that's rockin in todays world....

 

[flaps30]

What do you expect...

CHQ signed a contract that sent the whipsaw their way, mother Delta will always punish those who try to raise the bar, ie ASA. Its a sheetty business.

 

[jborsdrf]

Not intenended to piss anybody off... but I'm sure it will, last round of upgrades most junior was 2/20/03 hire. I just upgraded last month, I was an 11/02 hire. This will come to an end soon, with 1000 pilots on the property now a new hire today needs a lot of airplanes to make captain. I'm sure some Xjet or Comair FO is dying to call us all whores, becuase I make 59 per hour as opposed to 64 and upgrade in <2 years. Trust me though I could give a F*CK you can keep your five dollars an hour and the right seat.

 

[KingAirer]

CHQ signed a contract that sent the whipsaw their way, mother Delta will always punish those who try to raise the bar, ie ASA. Its a sheetty business.

I wouldnt say that Comair has had 0 growth since there contract, in fact they have grown steadily.

Quick upgrades are going to be shortlived because of the quick growth a year ago. Not to mention the fact that CHQ is losing all Delta MCO flying to Gulfstream, AA is forcing the AmericanConnection operation to stop, and USAirways is going to liquidate next month.

 

[Lequip]

Well said jborsdrf . Congrats on your quick upgrade and ignore all the sour grapes from the FO's making industry leading 5 year + FO pay.

 

[FlyingToIST]

Not intenended to piss anybody off... but I'm sure it will, last round of upgrades most junior was 2/20/03 hire. I just upgraded last month, I was an 11/02 hire. This will come to an end soon, with 1000 pilots on the property now a new hire today needs a lot of airplanes to make captain. I'm sure some Xjet or Comair FO is dying to call us all whores, becuase I make 59 per hour as opposed to 64 and upgrade in <2 years. Trust me though I could give a F*CK you can keep your five dollars an hour and the right seat.

Fly for my airline for half the pay and I will upgrade you in 6 months. Then I will find someone who can upgrade in another 6 to put you back to the right seat. If you don't like it, I will hire a "XYZ academy graduate" who is getting hard (or wet) by flying right seat with 300 hrs..

People like you is the reason I stay away from this business and fly my own airplane.. wish it wasn't the case though..

 

[Be200pilot]

flyingtoist,

Fly for HALF the pay??? You dont know what your talking about, its literally 2 or 3 dollars difference for a majority of the pay scale (ASA being the example in this thread). Also, the academy graduates have been instructors (at the academy) for a while and have more than 300 hours. Otherwise, how would the academy run?

im glad your flying your own plane

 

[jumppilot]

Reading this stuff is too funny sometimes.

 

[jborsdrf]

Flytoist,


My example is CHQ vs Comair, the best vs the worst according to the many unhappy masses on this board. I don't really understand your comment about about half pay or me being moved to the right seat by some guy from the Delta Academy with a large hard on. Last I checked we weren't upgrading or downgrading on the size of one's member. I'm sure your 900 hours of Piper time, your dad bought, has given you an understanding and depth for this industry far deeper than mine so I'll just crawl back to the left seat and watch for you on TCAS.

 

[cmrflyer]

Maybe you should,
I'm sure your two years with chq has given you vast insight into the aviation industry(at least the very bottom of it). It is so cool that you are getting pic time and when the majors start hiring in ten years you will be the first to get a job, at least you better hope you are because by then you'll be so in debt.
But at least you be able to tell all your flight school friend that you are a big "airline" captain, just don't tell them what you make or who you work for.

P.S. If you guys at chq want to play pilot, at least start wearing you hats, the least you could do is try to look a professional

 

[ERJDRVR]

Fly for my airline for half the pay and I will upgrade you in 6 months. Then I will find someone who can upgrade in another 6 to put you back to the right seat. If you don't like it, I will hire a "XYZ academy graduate" who is getting hard (or wet) by flying right seat with 300 hrs..

People like you is the reason I stay away from this business and fly my own airplane.. wish it wasn't the case though..

Well the world needs ditch-diggers to.

 

[ERJDRVR]

Maybe you should,
I'm sure your two years with chq has given you vast insight into the aviation industry(at least the very bottom of it). It is so cool that you are getting pic time and when the majors start hiring in ten years you will be the first to get a job, at least you better hope you are because by then you'll be so in debt.
But at least you be able to tell all your flight school friend that you are a big "airline" captain, just don't tell them what you make or who you work for.

P.S. If you guys at chq want to play pilot, at least start wearing you hats, the least you could do is try to look a professional

The hat thing, well, that is pretty much deserved...
The other BS comments, not so much. The funny thing is that the guys who bitch the most and embarass their company the most on here are the least experienced ones. Oh yea, if you want to keep telling your friends @ the flight school in 5 years, YOU ARE A BIG AIRLINE FO, feel free.

 

[aceshigh]

About the hat thing...

I agree that we need to wear the hat. It is a part of our uniform. Now, here's a little insight as to why you might be seeing some of our guys without their hat. Bancroft, the hat maker, just got a huge order from the military for hats (this according to the lady I spoke with when I called inquiring about my own Captain hat). So, naturally, being business savvy and knowing where their bread gets buttered, Bancroft is gonna fill the Military order first as opposed to a much smaller clientele of newly upgraded Captains at Chautauqua. The military is, after all, a much larger customer. This is why it took me two and a half months for me to receive my Captain's hat, which I was very happy to receive. Now I can make cmrflyer happy by wearing my hat and being just as professional as he is.

So, cmrflyer, if you ever see one of our pilots not wearing their hat, you can walk up to them and congratulate them on their recent upgrade. Or if you can't be happy for them, just assume that their hat is on back order and keep it to yourself. Or if you're having a bad day and really need to vent, you can certainly feel free to express your opinion to me next time I fly through CVG.

Aceshigh

 

[GFunk20]

I agree with the hat thing as well. Al though it does seem that the hat is disappearing pretty quickly......

jetBlue - no hats
Northwest - hats no longer required
SWA - hats optional

 

[KingAirer]

No one should be bragging about upgrades at any company. Its almost completly out of your hands. Once you get hired you get a number, When your number comes up, you upgrade. Unless you are behind the scenes arranging to get new airplanes, then you are just waiting in line like everyone else to take the checkride and upgrade.

 

[BoilerUP]

jigga what?

It is so cool that you are getting pic time and when the majors start hiring in ten years you will be the first to get a job, at least you better hope you are because by then you'll be so in debt.
But at least you be able to tell all your flight school friend that you are a big "airline" captain, just don't tell them what you make or who you work for.

Where did this come from? As if a 5 or 6 year FO has a better W2 than a second or third year captain? Everybody knows how good Comair's contract is, but I gotta call WTF on this one.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

It's all luck guys. How quickly you upgrade has nothing to do with your skill as an aviator and even less to do with your decision-making abilities.

You interviewed, you got hired, and beyond that its out of your hands. Nobody knows whether the airline will grow or shrink. Nobody knows whether attrition will increase or decrease or stop altogether.

A pilot could show up at Chautauqua today and upgrade in 2 years. Another pilot could show up to Chautauqua in October and it might take 10 years! There are too many external factors that influence how quickly an upgrade will occur to play guessing games.

You make the best decision you can at the time, and hope that it all works out.

If US Airways liquidates Chautauqua may suddenly find themselves badly overstaffed. If US Airways AND United were to liquidate, i'd guess that the 2 year upgrade would suddenly become stagnation, downgrades, and furloughs.

Lets all cross our fingers that it doesn't come to that.