Chataqua 2 yr upgrade?

[nimtz]

Looks like another bitter hightime CRJ FO making industry leading FO pay. Enjoy that top FO pay for a LONG TIME to come. Again, nothing but sour grapes.

Hey douchebag,

Didn't you once say you worked for Eagle? Yeah that sure makes you qualified to give someone sh*t about LONG TIME to upgrade. As usual Froggie you are pathetic. Go try porn, it's a better hobby then being an @sshole on a forum.

 

[Be200pilot]

murfdawg998 hey be200 pilot, is that you in that picture?!

it sure is. i paid $5500 for them. do you think they were worth it?

 

[TWAER]

Firsf off, I agree with you on almost everything. I don't fault any Chautauqua pilot for anything other than some arrogant attitudes based on phenominal growth and rapid upgrades, but so what.

I thought you should have stuck it out for an industry leading contract that's all. If you did your company would still have been very profitable, but you probably wouldn't have gotten so much growth. I think you know this as did your MEC and BB certainly knew it.

What you don't see yet, through the haze of rapid upgrade time and the industry leading resume fodder that comes with it, is that mentality is a cancer on our profession. Good for you, for now, but bad for us all in the end. If we underbid you and secured all DCI flying permanantly, stopping your growth and causing hundreds of furloughs and downgrades would that be cool? Just 'bidness'?

What if we signed a 20 year contract with 0.1% annual raises. That way we could say we didn't take concessions, got higher rates, improved on scope and got the raises that come from rapid upgrades.

So to answer your question, no I don't expect you to quit to help me out. But you've got to realize that outsourcing pilot labor is horrible for the profession, and the more outsourcing to more and more "airlines" flying bigger and bigger equipment for more and more airlines is not a good thing, and it needs to be fixed.

MAn o Man where have you been???? No one from Comair should really use the word outsourcing. How did you think your company started my friend? And seeing that DAL owns a large amount of RJET, I would not really call us an outsourced labor group. We are no different than you were 5 years ago. YOUR company made the choice to sell to DAL. Maybe if that choice were different, you may have been the biggest regional with many different code shares. And yes the real problem is with outsourcing. It is outsourcing mainline routes and jobs to Comair, CHQ, ASA, and every other regional airline. I personally cringe at all the CHQ growth because it means less or no jobs for me at the mainline level. The enemy will all regional pilots should be with the mainline management group, not each other. Go ask a furloughed mainline pilot how he or she feels about mainline routes going to regionals. They think you and I are the enemy is some respects.

I would have loved to have gotten Comair PAY +10% but it would, in my view, come at a cost in other ways. Someone said it before. The 1.5 year upgrade is not going to last very long. In fact, When, not if Airways goes away, we may see upgrade go away for a while. But even if they survive, upgrade time will go back up to 4-5 years here.

The cancer P38 is all the major airlines who refuse to accept the fact that times have changed for good. Fuel cost, security cost, no business traveler, LLC's, high labor costs. and low ticket costs are killing them. And you know what, as soon as CHQ votes for higher wages in a few years, we may loose some flying. Someone will be right behind us to do it cheaper. You want to turn this job(regional Pilot) into a career. Everyone wants high pay great benefits, and so on, but fail to realize the cost structure of a regional today does not support most of it.

TO me, the only way this is going to be "fixed" is when some of this flying returns to the majors and they start to hire again. P38 YOU are as big an outsourcer as I am and never forget that!!!!!!!!!

 

[ASH]

Wow I never even thought about that, good points, ironic though that CHQ is catching flak.


CHQ ROCKS!

 

[P38JLightning]

close, but no cigar

>>>Everyone wants high pay great benefits, and so on, but fail to realize the cost structure of a regional today does not support most of it.

TO me, the only way this is going to be "fixed" is when some of this flying returns to the majors and they start to hire again. P38 YOU are as big an outsourcer as I am and never forget that!!!!!!!!!


Wrong. The cost structure of a regional certainly does support it, but the regional managers squeal like stuck pigs when you even suggest they might have to run an airline at less than a 20-30% profit margin. Thats my point. We buy off on this whole 3/5 of an airline pilot crap and management laughs all the way to the bank.

As for us being outsourcers, wrong again. We are Delta. No, we're not the Delta pilot group (though supposedly that's being worked on) but we are Delta. Just like Song is Delta, Express is/was Delta, DGS is Delta, etc. You are right though, we were the same 5 years ago. But times have changed. IF Delta buys 51% of you or more, and IF you are ALPA, and IF you get the highest cost pilot contract, then you will always be what's wrong with this profession. Outsourcing pilot supply houses providing cut throat labor for every airline under the sun. Big difference between that and a wholly owned sub.

Interesting that you do recognise the bigger you get the less good jobs are out there, yet you want the growth to pad your resume with PIC time so you personaly can be better positioned to move on, so you'll work for less to get growth.

Well as long as you get to SWA or JB that's all that matters I guess.

 

[KingAirer]

Im just curious if there is a ceremony when a carrier turns from contract to WHOLLY OWNED...Like a knighting ceremony or something for each pilot.

 

[TWAER]

I don't need any growth to pad anything. You know what the problem with some of you at wholly owned carriers? You think you are better than everyone else. You look down on anyone who isn't owned 51% by Delta. What is going to happen to you when DAL sells you off?? Don't think for a second that they won't. What will you do then?? Then you will have to spend all your time defending being a contract carrier, just like you were 5 years ago. BTW you are NOT Delta!! You are Comair. When Republic starts up I am not Republic, I am CHQ. I matters not who owns you but who you fly for. If you were Delta, you would have a nice little flow though over to mainline. And most pilots at Delta I know do not think you are part of mainline either. You are just another company owned by the parent.

 

[wings421]

Maybe you should,
I'm sure your two years with chq has given you vast insight into the aviation industry(at least the very bottom of it). It is so cool that you are getting pic time and when the majors start hiring in ten years you will be the first to get a job, at least you better hope you are because by then you'll be so in debt.
But at least you be able to tell all your flight school friend that you are a big "airline" captain, just don't tell them what you make or who you work for.

P.S. If you guys at chq want to play pilot, at least start wearing you hats, the least you could do is try to look a professional

The people on this board are unreal, is that why you became a pilot, to wear a hat? Get a life man.