Challenger & Global Order. New planes for who?

[NJAowner]

JJ -- what are your numbers and what are their sources?

Actually for FLOPS $ according the the FLOPs "Fractional Operations Cost Worksheet, including 2011 CPI Adjustment", version 1/4/2011, and for NJ the costs come from bills I see, the costs are as follows for a 1/16th share:

FLPOS X - Monthly Mgmt Fee $9533, Occupied Hourly Fee $3289
FLOPS Legacy: MMF $12076, OHF $3280
NJ XLS: MMF $9770, OHF $2609

These numbers do not include the fuel baselines and estimate, war risk insurance and FET.

FLOPs numbers were given to me in a proposal from my salesman who has been trying to get me to switch to FLOPS for a while, If you get better pricing on the Legacy, please PM me the numbers. I may be interested.

 

[jonjuan]

JJ -- what are your numbers and what are their sources?

Actually for FLOPS $ according the the FLOPs "Fractional Operations Cost Worksheet, including 2011 CPI Adjustment", version 1/4/2011, and for NJ the costs come from bills I see, the costs are as follows for a 1/16th share:

FLPOS X - Monthly Mgmt Fee $9533, Occupied Hourly Fee $3289
FLOPS Legacy: MMF $12076, OHF $3280
NJ XLS: MMF $9770, OHF $2609

These numbers do not include the fuel baselines and estimate, war risk insurance and FET.

FLOPs numbers were given to me in a proposal from my salesman who has been trying to get me to switch to FLOPS for a while, If you get better pricing on the Legacy, please PM me the numbers. I may be interested.

I see $2,444/hour for the flops CX hourly, not the $3,289 you mentioned (unless the $3,289 includes fuel). Looks like you can get a CX for less than the price of an XL (even less if you compare the speed Delta). Interesting to see if the price difference between programs is relatively proportional to the pilot salary/benefits difference. For that, they outta throw in naked lady playing cards.
http://www.flightoptions.com/programs/fractional-ownership.html

 

[NJAowner]

JJ - You are correct as I copied the wrong OHF for the FO X. FLying the X for the XL cost is what I said. You said an owner could fly the FO Legacy at the NJ XL costs and told me I was wrong and to go check my facts and "sayve face". I looks like you are agreeing with my numbers??

 

[brokeflyer]

I see $2,444/hour for the flops CX hourly, not the $3,289 you mentioned (unless the $3,289 includes fuel). Looks like you can get a CX for less than the price of an XL (even less if you compare the speed Delta). Interesting to see if the price difference between programs is relatively proportional to the pilot salary/benefits difference. For that, they outta throw in naked lady playing cards.
http://www.flightoptions.com/programs/fractional-ownership.html

yeah but Netjets is just a better place all around. You get what you pay for at NJ...The Best



be there

 

[ArtVandalay]

Can we please get back to the topic at hand: How Flexjet is going to blow its own head off by selling globals to netjets...

 

[gunfyter]

Art,

I think if anyone knew who was getting the Globals ... the beans would have been spilled here by now. It must not be a Frax....

OK OK JonJuan says he knows ...

 

[Inigo Montoya]

It certainly looks to me like the beans are spilled already

 

[SDCFI]

6 Globals and esp 2 Challengers couldn't be enough for a company the size of NJA to start a new fleet type. Heck FR says we'd need at least 5 or 6 Globals at Flex to make it work. Netjets doesn't do anything half-assed so I don't see them doing this to put their toes in the water and feel the market, they're either all in or nothing. IF these are for Netjets they're either going to EJA, NJME, or a new China operation as managed aircraft. And managed aircraft is probably the only way we'll see Globals at Flex in the near future. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[Club ORD FO]

They do have the Gulfstream fleet as an additional backup however

 

[G200_PILOT]

Can we please get back to the topic at hand: How Flexjet is going to blow its own head off by selling globals to netjets...

OK, first of all, FlexJet doesn't sell airplanes to anyone. They "buy" them just like CitationAir "buys" their jets from Cessna. FlexJet has absolutely NO say on who buys Challengers and Globals so please don't kid yourself and try to make it sound like FlexJet has any power whatsoever.

You also may want to consider the future of Flex...


Just sayin'