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Challenger & Global Order. New planes for who?

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I doubt it's NJ because they're trying to streamline the fleet. The purchase of the Phoem 300 was choosen as a replacement equipment. I don't see the Global's replacing the G series. I'm also betting the that NJ China aircraft will be flown by chinese pilots.

Most likely a foriegn buyer.
 
snoopy14 said:
I doubt it's NJ because they're trying to streamline the fleet. The purchase of the Phoem 300 was choosen as a replacement equipment. I don't see the Global's replacing the G series. I'm also betting the that NJ China aircraft will be flown by chinese pilots.

Most likely a foriegn buyer.
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You dont see things well then.

When the GV and Global are parked nose to nose in the Hangar at NJA, the Global looks bigger.

I think you are right about the China operation.
 
snoopy14 said:
I doubt it's NJ because they're trying to streamline the fleet. The purchase of the Phoem 300 was choosen as a replacement equipment. I don't see the Global's replacing the G series. I'm also betting the that NJ China aircraft will be flown by chinese pilots.

Most likely a foriegn buyer.
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The Phenom replaces 4 light jets-Ultra, HS 400XP, Encore, and Encore+. A Challenger 300 might replace both the G200 and Falcon 2000. A Global could replace all Gulfstream products (NJA has 4 different G models). Supposedly cheaper than the G 650 too. Seems like a significant step towards streamlining to me. Besides, what a shot at RTS this would be changing direction away from Gulfstream to Bombardier.

Possible fleet make up: EMB 300, XLS, CE 680, CE 750/TEN, Challenger 300, Global. Beechcraft goes way completely. Six types and three OEMs. Definitely streamlined compared to present fleet/OEM composition. And who knows what the future brings with Embraer.

If NJA has any role in China, NJA pilots will make up a significant portion. Scope clause will apply. Then again, a NJME, NJE, EJM type of set up may be possible. I'm not well versed on that issue, and I'll not waste time with that one till we are faced with that problem.
 
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I don't think scope will be the reason for non-Chinese pilots. Training and image will prevail. Do you really think rich owners would accept pilots from China? Not for a while anyway.
Helm
 
Helmsalee said:
I don't think scope will be the reason for non-Chinese pilots. Training and image will prevail. Do you really think rich owners would accept pilots from China? Not for a while anyway.
Helm
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There's a precedent for this. NJE was intially manned with pilots from the US. Maybe not all, but NJ will need to establish their corporate culture in China and they will need NJ pilots for that. I really don't expect this to trigger any recalls based on what they're saying about staffing right now. Unfortunately.
 
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Jack Campbell said:
There's a precedent for this. NJE was intially manned with pilots from the US. Maybe not all, but NJ will need to establish their corporate culture in China and they will need NJ pilots for that. I really don't expect this to trigger any recalls based on what they're saying about staffing right now. Unfortunately.
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How many US pilots were used to start NJME?

If you think the Chinese government is going to let US pilots come over, and fly around Chinese businessmen, in Chinese airspace...... I think you have never done business in China before.

Culture will be established by management alone would be my bet.
 
I heard that if Netjets would buy the Globals, Bombardier would through in FlexJet for free. As far as Chinese pilots do they even have any? They seem to do a lot of hiring over here!
 
Pervis -- I do not see having the Challenger 300 replacing the G200 and Falcon while still having the X/Ten. I have spent some time on the 300 and lots on the G200 and Falcon. The 300 is comfortable as a 8 pax. The X is an 8 pax, the Sovereign is an 8 pax. The newly designed fleet would need something which has a FA and is smaller/less expensive than a Global or GV. Just a guess -- I predict they go with a Legacy or something similar to replace the G200, DA-2000 and most of the G4s, but still have a few larger transcon jets. Most of the G4 owners are in it for the size and comfort (and some ego) but very few need the transcon performance. A Legacy can handle 13 in comfort going from TEB-PBI or TEB-Ski areas or TEB-St Maarten. The cost structure of the Legacy would appeal to most current G200 and DA2000 owners and give them more seats. And it is a step up in size from the X.
 
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Pervis -- I do not see having the Challenger 300 replacing the G200 and Falcon while still having the X/Ten. I have spent some time on the 300 and lots on the G200 and Falcon. The 300 is comfortable as a 8 pax. The X is an 8 pax, the Sovereign is an 8 pax. The newly designed fleet would need something which has a FA and is smaller/less expensive than a Global or GV. Just a guess -- I predict they go with a Legacy or something similar to replace the G200, DA-2000 and most of the G4s, but still have a few larger transcon jets. Most of the G4 owners are in it for the size and comfort (and some ego) but very few need the transcon performance. A Legacy can handle 13 in comfort going from TEB-PBI or TEB-Ski areas or TEB-St Maarten. The cost structure of the Legacy would appeal to most current G200 and DA2000 owners and give them more seats. And it is a step up in size from the X.
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If the cost structure, comfort, etc. would appeal to G200 and F2000 owners, why wouldnt they all just go to flops where they already operate it (probably around for what nja operates an XL at?)
 
If the cost structure, comfort, etc. would appeal to G200 and F2000 owners, why wouldnt they all just go to flops where they already operate it (probably around for what nja operates an XL at?)

Maybe because they love the custom logo'd NJ playing cards?

JJ-- to get your facts straight, under its new pricing system FLOPs operates the X for what what NJA charges for the XLS, and the Legacy for about the costs of the X/G200.
 
NJAowner said:
If the cost structure, comfort, etc. would appeal to G200 and F2000 owners, why wouldnt they all just go to flops where they already operate it (probably around for what nja operates an XL at?)

Maybe because they love the custom logo'd NJ playing cards?

JJ-- to get your facts straight, under its new pricing system FLOPs operates the X for what what NJA charges for the XLS, and the Legacy for about the costs of the X/G200.
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Wrong again. I'll get back to you later with real facts when I have a free moment. Until then, you may want to change your post to sayve face. :)
 

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