Cessna Super X

[paulsalem]

Anyone have an article or picture of the XII. I can't find anything on Google.

 

[BBJPILOT]

There is always one or two in the nearest Citation Service Center

 

[gunfyter]

Why would RTS want more of 'em? So they can go .95 from service center to service center?

Just teasing guys.

Well I have over 40 hrs this week on one. just grounded it but it will be up in the morning for my 0630 hot standby... with 3 more days to go on my 10 day tour.

 

[C680]

Anyone have an article or picture of the XII. I can't find anything on Google.

Shhh. It is a secret, so you will not see it on google. That is unless you search "widebody supersonic jet."

:-}

 

[WillFlyFoCookie]

As far as I know there are no back orders for the X. The production line is comming to an end or has finished already.

I don't think that's entirely true. Production is very slow though. In December I saw the X production line in ICT on a factory tour and they were still making 'em. They had at least half a dozen airframes in various stages. But I certainly agree it's not booming. The Soveriegn line as a lot more planes being pushed through. They said on the tour something like only 20 Xs produced last year compared to 70 or so of the Soveriegn.

when I was there, I saw a new pair of X wings just laid out by themselves being assembled and I thought to myself those are the most beautiful pieces of aeronautical engineering ever created.

 

[Q Service]

For what its worth, I spoke to a Cessna sales rep at NBAA and asked about this subject.

Question: Any plans on a successor to the X?

Answer: They are looking into it, and have mocked up a larger cabin demo for consideration. Longer range is also on the table, but it will still be a .92 aircraft due to regulatory and certification considerations. Timeframe is still way off in the future.

 

[xrated]

Cessna had those winglets on and off that X until recently and did a fair amount of research how they affect the performance of the X. To get any benefit from em, you had to fly above 410, otherwise .

You make it sound like the X doesn't get up to those high altitudes much. If you use a X like a X is supposed to be used, you'll be above 410 more often than not.

 

[cezzna]

I heard a rumor that netjets is looking to move owners into the new CL300. dispatch rate is too low. The CL300 is almost as fast and will be more dependable. Unless they decomputerize the X, I think they should let the line die. The airplane is kind of like those first chrysler cars of the 80's. Digital dashes and "door is ajar" talking at ya all day. It was high tech but it sucked. The X is a great airplane aerodynamics, engines, systems, mechanically sound, but hindered by it's overcomplexity with the CAS messages and computer unreliability.

My 2 cents

 

[Guitar Guy]

I heard a rumor that netjets is looking to move owners into the new CL300. dispatch rate is too low.

When did NetJets get Challenger 300's? I haven't seen a bid yet.

 

[paulsalem]

Cezzna,

According to bombardier's website Max Curise is .82. Is that incorrect, or is .10mach not that big of a difference. (honest question, i'm a piston guy).

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_2/3_2_4/3_2_4.jsp

 

[cezzna]

Sorry may be thinking of a different jet than the 300, maybe the hawker horizon. Heard that they want to unload the X's cause dispatch rate is so low.

 

[gunfyter]

Sorry may be thinking of a different jet than the 300, maybe the hawker horizon. Heard that they want to unload the X's cause dispatch rate is so low.

They are making a fortune of the X. Probably carries the rest of the fleet.

 

[bluepost]

The X will be the falcon 20 of the corporate fleet or the sister the 727. It will be around a LONG TIME. But some of our Xs have 8000 hours on them and I'm sure those will be sold off...but there is not an airplane out there or one on the the drawing boards that can compete with its Range (3200 book) speed (.90 all day long real world) and runway numbers (5000 ft dry can get you coast to coast most of the time).

Great airplane, a little glitchy, but when properly maintained they run great. During the summer struggle they were running awesome because they were actually getting the required MX. The one weak spot...the lav. It is a dream to fly, challenges you just the right amount, but also rewards attention to detail. Great brakes, great reversers, great speedbrakes, great slat and flap numbers, good avionics, crappy seats. Perfect plane for Judge Judy types...NY to CA with 2-4 pax at .90

Cessna still has full page ads in all of the aviation pubs for the X. The line is not shutting down, they just are slowing down now that there are actually some on the used market IMO.

 

[Hobbes]

I'll bite, what are "judge judy types?"

 

[bluepost]

"Judge Judy" types are retired judges that have a syndicated show on the B class networks called "Judge Judy" and who live in NY and fly to LA a couple times a month to film their show....all the while saving 30-45 min and .5 to .8 $$ savings on occupied time in the aircraft and getting 10% more distance for said flying time. A X can cover the same miles in 200 hours that a hawker or lear can cover in 220 hours (over longer distances)

In other words people that travel coast to coast a lot with 1 or 2 people. Think tech companies in SJC for the NY meeting and back.