Cessna Super X

[TORCH67]

I have heard some rumors about a follow on Jet to replace the X. Has anybody heard anything about a Super X or Citation 12 etc.... I have heard that it will have 16k in fuel(3k more) and it will do .95. The last X's have or will be off the production any time now. I can't believe that Cessna will give up on this market!

 

[Diesel]

you weren't sitting in fsi with me this week? We heard all about it over and over again.

 

[TORCH67]

No Diesel, a couple of weeks ago though! Did Emmitt give you the rumor info about his cousin or brother or brother-in-law? Just thought I would see if anybody else knew anything else!

 

[Diesel]

I think it's brother in-law.

Until i see it come from cessna, i'm a little skeptical.

So far nada from cessna.

Pretty funny though we both know the source?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Cessna thought that they could put winglets on the X a few years back. Never happened.

 

[TaxiDriver]

Actually, Cessna did put winglets on at least one X. But when Russ Meyer got a phone call from his golfing buddies over at Bombardier, the winglets quickly went away. I guess a few years ago, Meyer stated to his Bombardier buddy that the LearJet needed winglets to fly right side up.....and that REAL airplanes don't need winglets (ie Citations). As you can imagine, when the word got out about the X with winglets, Bombardier was quick to call Meyer and question why a REAL airplane would need winglets.

True story? Maybe, maybe not......probably just as much truth as a Citation 12. Also heard that Cessna wouldn't make the 12 unless NetJets would place an order for 150.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Actually, Cessna did put winglets on at least one X. But when Russ Meyer got a phone call from his golfing buddies over at Bombardier, the winglets quickly went away. I guess a few years ago, Meyer stated to his Bombardier buddy that the LearJet needed winglets to fly right side up.....and that REAL airplanes don't need winglets (ie Citations). As you can imagine, when the word got out about the X with winglets, Bombardier was quick to call Meyer and question why a REAL airplane would need winglets.

True story? Maybe, maybe not......probably just as much truth as a Citation 12. Also heard that Cessna wouldn't make the 12 unless NetJets would place an order for 150.

Nuts... and I thought it was the vibrations casued by the winglets that scrapped the project.

 

[Flyerjosh]

I don't buy it. How many back orders of the X does Cessna still have to deliver? They have already announced the Encore+, and it won't start deliveries until early 2007. We would have heard about/will hear about it (if it happens) well before the current production line ends.

They might redesign the model or improve upon it, that wouldn't surprise me, but I guarantee you'll hear about it well before they switch production lines.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Actually, Cessna did put winglets on at least one X. But when Russ Meyer got a phone call from his golfing buddies over at Bombardier, the winglets quickly went away. I guess a few years ago, Meyer stated to his Bombardier buddy that the LearJet needed winglets to fly right side up.....and that REAL airplanes don't need winglets (ie Citations). As you can imagine, when the word got out about the X with winglets, Bombardier was quick to call Meyer and question why a REAL airplane would need winglets.

True story? Maybe, maybe not......probably just as much truth as a Citation 12. Also heard that Cessna wouldn't make the 12 unless NetJets would place an order for 150.

Cessna had those winglets on and off that X until recently and did a fair amount of research how they affect the performance of the X. To get any benefit from em, you had to fly above 410, otherwise there was no benefit and even a degredation in performance was observed at the lower altitudes with winglets. Just recently (as in a few months ago), Cessna had winglets on an XL as well........Dont know what the outcome of that was though. Russ doesnt have too much to do with cessna anymore since he stepped down a few years ago. He's on the board at Shares though.

 

[TORCH67]

As far as I know there are no back orders for the X. The production line is comming to an end or has finished already.

 

[gunfyter]

Cessna won't sell the Citation XII to NetJets. CS is getting them.

 

[Flyerjosh]

Cessna won't sell the Citation XII to NetJets. CS is getting them.

I don't buy that either. Why would cessna pass up on an opportunity to make sales and aircraft orders. If NetJets wanted them, I can guarantee you Cessna would come to some sort of an agreement.

 

[Flyerjosh]

As far as I know there are no back orders for the X. The production line is comming to an end or has finished already.

I believe that XO Jet is scheduled to get one X about every 6 weeks for the next 6-8 months or so. At least thats my understanding from the folks I know that work there.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Why would RTS want more of 'em? So they can go .95 from service center to service center?

Just teasing guys.

 

[Taildraggaah]

I actually walked the Cessna X line on Feb. 2 2006. We had a sales rep and a tech rep give us a guided tour. They told us "we are down to one shift per day in production" and "we have about 25 Xs on the order books including the ones you see here". We saw serial number 254 getting pressure checked, and there were three fuselages and the start of two wing assemblies.

As far as the rumors of the Super 10...

"A number of industry sources have confirmed a hush-hush plan to build at least one test plane in an effort called the Super 10 Initiative. GE, NASA and all the major powerplant and airframe manufacturers--including Lockheed Martin--are involved. Though it meets weekly, until now the group has operated outside the public eye. The Initiative will send detailed proposals to NASA early in 2005 with the hope of securing additional funding and support for an experimental test plane, the Super Sonic Cruise Technology Demonstrator." source: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/aviation/1303021.html

I asked about this aircraft and the tech rep said that they have done early research but nothing solid and that the "Super 10" rumor was started from the above article...

 

[paulsalem]

Anyone have an article or picture of the XII. I can't find anything on Google.

 

[BBJPILOT]

There is always one or two in the nearest Citation Service Center

 

[gunfyter]

Why would RTS want more of 'em? So they can go .95 from service center to service center?

Just teasing guys.

Well I have over 40 hrs this week on one. just grounded it but it will be up in the morning for my 0630 hot standby... with 3 more days to go on my 10 day tour.

 

[C680]

Anyone have an article or picture of the XII. I can't find anything on Google.

Shhh. It is a secret, so you will not see it on google. That is unless you search "widebody supersonic jet."

:-}

 

[WillFlyFoCookie]

As far as I know there are no back orders for the X. The production line is comming to an end or has finished already.

I don't think that's entirely true. Production is very slow though. In December I saw the X production line in ICT on a factory tour and they were still making 'em. They had at least half a dozen airframes in various stages. But I certainly agree it's not booming. The Soveriegn line as a lot more planes being pushed through. They said on the tour something like only 20 Xs produced last year compared to 70 or so of the Soveriegn.

when I was there, I saw a new pair of X wings just laid out by themselves being assembled and I thought to myself those are the most beautiful pieces of aeronautical engineering ever created.