Cessna 182 crash on video

[GravityHater]

Awsome...good post. At least I liked it, anyway]

Gee, thanks. Not bad for 3/4 of a bottle of 2001 Piesporter in me, I thought. Payin' for it today though!

 

[HS125]

Regarding the comments on this sad crash. I have to ask: How did we arrive at the following notes in this thread?

-high
-hot
-overloaded
-overgross
-inexperienced pilot
-short runway
-long runway misused
-goosing it off
-aft cg
-too much flaps
-flaps retracted too early
-high da
-apparent he didn't check W&B
-sank because he came out of ground effect
-won't climb with that much flaps
-poor judgement
-max gross or greater​

I ran though the thread and plucked all these comments verbatim.
I am the biggest speculator of all, we can learn a lot from it but I think we are guilty of a lot of inference here.
There is not the slightest indication of most of the conclusions offered here. There isnt any way we can know what how much fuel was onboard, or what the airplane weighed and thus if it was below, at, or overgross.
There is no way to know the elevation or the temperature and thus the D.A.
There is no way to know the flap extension unless you have applied some pretty detailed analysis to the images.
Inexperienced pilot? Hell I don't even know his name let alone his hours logged.
Short runway? Someone said plenty of runway. What is the runway length? I can't even tell from the vid where the runway is! Who knows if it was short or not!
Aft CG. Cmon, that is WILD speculation. Can you see the elevator in the full down position or something?​

I don't think this is nitpicking. I think if we speculate, for reasons of wanting to learn, we should at least offer each idea as a possible reason, not as fact. Such as presented in a question: "Could he have had a W&B problem?
I expect higher from FI participants. Look at the video again. All I see is an airplane crash on takeoff with a huge crowd around. A little uncoordinated flight is suspected. REALLY hard to infer all that other stuff. Provide visual evidence to support your suggestions!​

What he said!

Best post on this thread, I was thinking the same things as I read through this thread.

 

[pilothouston123]

Well said Gravityhater. What about tailwind. check out the smoke after the fire. It looks like a quartering tailwind... It must have been really scary for the pilot who was trying to do the right thing. I don't think we should bast him too badly. He is not the first to make a mistake in the air that cost lives. And he will not be the last. Anyone of us is at risk to make a mistake in an airplane. Maby not like any we have seen here. But maby a new one that none of us has thought of yet.

imho and my$.02

 

[jws717]

It looked like poor rudder control after rotation, look at how sideways he gets.. By the way O2 can not burn on its own, just like something such as fuel can not burn without O2. it is just as essential as a fuel but not actualy burning, only a catalyst.

 

[Murdoughnut]

While I admit my ignorance of how O2 works, I can't help but think back to that bus full of relocated Katrina victims that caught fire outside of Dallas. Most were elderly and had 02 tanks, which allegedly made the fire far far worse than it would have otherwise been. Sad.

 

[ultrarunner]

Tell that to the crew of Apollo 1.

Their capsule was pressurized with 100% oxygen. That's nasty stuff around a spark.

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

Heck for all we know maybe the front seat passenger saw all the people running around on the runway and tried to "hit the brakes" and floored a rudder pedal as they were lifting off.

That's when you use the ol flight instructor trick passed down by many generations... whack em in the nose with the back of your hand.

 

[FN FAL]

Heck for all we know maybe the front seat passenger saw all the people running around on the runway and tried to "hit the brakes" and floored a rudder pedal as they were lifting off.

I kind of felt that might be a likely scenario, or even a shifting of some of the gear that was loaded onto the plane that might have interfered with the contols.

 

[A Squared]

While I admit my ignorance of how O2 works, I can't help but think back to that bus full of relocated Katrina victims that caught fire outside of Dallas. Most were elderly and had 02 tanks, which allegedly made the fire far far worse than it would have otherwise been. Sad.

Absolutely, it does make the fire worse. With concentrated oxygen, stuff that normally burns, burns much faster, and stuff that normally wouldn't burn *will* burn, so any fire is made much bigger, faster and hotter. But, the oxygen does not burn.