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Law Signed on Seniority Integration

ALPA-backed Seniority Integration Legislation Protects Pilots, Contracts, and ALPA Merger Policy

ALPA, along with the Association of Flight Attendants and the AFL-CIO’s Transportation Trades Department, worked closely with labor’s allies on Capitol Hill to enact seniority integration legislation that protects U.S. ALPA pilots’ career interests, the Association’s merger policies, and ALPA labor agreements in future merger integrations.

Signed by the president into law in late December 2007, this legislation ensures that if two ALPA pilot groups merge, the Association’s internal Merger Policy and the pilots’ collectively bargained merger-integration protections will continue to govern as before. If an ALPA pilot group merges with a non-ALPA pilot group, the ALPA pilots involved will also retain the hard-won labor protective merger provisions of their collective bargaining agreements.

However, the legislation goes further and also guarantees ALPA pilots involved in a non-ALPA merger, and all unionized employees under the Railway Labor Act, at least a minimum standard of protection in future transactions with merging employee groups outside of their union by ensuring a “fair and equitable” seniority integration process under the Allegheny-Mohawk merger provisions, which are incorporated in this law.

These provisions, like ALPA Merger Policy, provide a process that includes negotiation, and if necessary, arbitration concerning seniority integration. The required integration procedures of the new law, like ALPA Merger Policy, do not provide for, or guarantee, any specific standard of integration in seniority integration arbitrations, which in the absence of an agreement would be decided by an arbitrator. The standards applied by arbitrators under both ALPA Merger Policy and the seniority integration procedures included in this legislation have typically included consideration of career expectations for the pilots at the two airlines at the time of the merger, and have been implemented through various methodologies.

This legislation, which applies to covered mergers that occur after Dec. 26, 2007, was originally proposed by AFA and supported by ALPA. It stems from the inequities that arose when the independent unions that represent the flight attendants and pilots of American Airlines forced the flight attendants and pilots of the former TWA to forgo a merger seniority arbitration process and suffer imposed seniority terms that disfavored these groups. This legislation corrects that situation and will prevent outside groups from simply dictating seniority terms to ALPA pilots.

In addition to securing this important new protection for ALPA pilots in the law, ALPA insisted upon legislative provisions for protection of ALPA Merger Policy in an ALPA-ALPA merger and for retention of any additional protections for ALPA pilots beyond Allegheny-Mohawk procedures that may exist in ALPA labor agreements. The ALPA-drafted language on these key provisions accomplishes all of these goals and was adopted by Congress and signed by the president. This important legislative success demonstrates ALPA’s leadership role on Capitol Hill.
 
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If they have the same union, then the union's rules apply. If they do not, then Allegheny/Mohawk. Any ALPA carrier will follow the ALPA merger policy, which has specific criteria. If they cannot agree, then they can go to binding arbitration, and if they don't like that result, they can cry like babies like USAir East pilots.


Bye Bye--General Lee

GL;
You forgot the final steps (specifically in our case):
* Decry & Declare
* Delay & Deceive
* Decertify & Decline

I just can't wait to get this vote over with. ALPA may have it's shortcomings, but ALPA is the quickest way to the next contract. USAPA is the surest way to lengthy contract delays & continued work under existing work rules and pay.
 
Captain: "You want answers?"

Chief Pilot: "I think we are entitled"

Captain: "You want answers?!"

Chief Pilot: "I want the truth!"

Captain: "You can't handle the truth!!!"

Captain (continuing): "We live in a world that requires revenue.
That revenue must be flown by people with elite skills. Who's going
to do it? You, Mr CEO? You Mr. Finance? You, Ms. Human Resources? We
have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You
scoff at the Line Pilots and you curse our mediocre incentives. You
have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know.
And my very existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you,
drives REVENUE! You don't want to know the truth because deep down
in places you don't talk about at staff meetings, you want me in
that airplane. You NEED me in that airplane!!

We use words like working radar, bad weather, on time departures,
airworthiness, upgrades, commuting, another round, medium-rare, on-
the-rocks, Cohiba. We use these words as the backbone of all
Professional Aviation. You use them as a punch line!

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to
people who rise and sleep under the very blanket of service I
provide and then question the manner in which I provide it. I would
rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I
suggest you pick up a flight bag. Either way, I don't give a damn
what you think you're entitled to!"

Chief Pilot: "Did you expense the lap dancers?"

Captain: "I did the job I was hired to do."

Chief Pilot: "Did you expense the lap dancers?!"

Captain: "You're goddanm right I did!






Now That, is pretty goddanm funny!

Best post I've read around here in awhile.
 
Don't Billary and Bama pictures demonstrate that one side will deny the very existence of the definition of "objective". LOL!
 
You are correct that I'm recalled through my former position Mid-Atlantic Airways, a (now) recognized part of LCC. (There is an financial earthquake coming in Herndon on that subject alone). Prior to that , ALG.
ted on this site over on the Regional board.

TRAINER8....

I have a question for only you. Please help me out with this one.

Numerous East pilots are claiming that MDA pilots were NOT furloughed at the time of the merger but were in fact active mainline pilots. HERE is my big question. How could US Airways hire pilots (LIKE YOU) to fly at mainline (since you claim MDA was mainline) when there were some 2000 pilots furloughed? Everybody knows that before an airline can hire people off the street such as ALG or PDT pilots they must go all the way down the list and back up the list. Then once everybody has either accepted or declined recall they could bring on newhires such as yourself.

So again; how were MDA pilots active mainline pilots when you were hired off the street with some 2000 pilots on furlough?
 
Boy, I almost died laughing from that. Nowhere does it say Date of Hire. The law was enacted to give protection against the likes of the East pilots, you stupid twits. The problem is when you say fair and equatable an East pilot thinks mine, mine, gimme, gimme.
 
You saying so doesn't make it so.

I'm afraid you're not even close to being credible and objective.
This coming from some fraud with 5 different usernames!:laugh:
Next he'll sign in as tanker clown or jmoney with some kind of colorful reply!

737
 
I just can't wait to get this vote over with. ALPA may have it's shortcomings, but ALPA is the quickest way to the next contract. USAPA is the surest way to lengthy contract delays & continued work under existing work rules and pay.

The leaders of USAPA remind me of Poli.

Thier mindset that they will deliver is amazing. They have no concept of the arduous course they are trying to put themselves on....
 
TRAINER8....

I have a question for only you. Please help me out with this one.

Numerous East pilots are claiming that MDA pilots were NOT furloughed at the time of the merger but were in fact active mainline pilots. HERE is my big question. How could US Airways hire pilots (LIKE YOU) to fly at mainline (since you claim MDA was mainline) when there were some 2000 pilots furloughed? Everybody knows that before an airline can hire people off the street such as ALG or PDT pilots they must go all the way down the list and back up the list. Then once everybody has either accepted or declined recall they could bring on newhires such as yourself.

So again; how were MDA pilots active mainline pilots when you were hired off the street with some 2000 pilots on furlough?

Green:

The answer to your question is archived throughout this web board both in this forum and on the Regional board.

Start a new thread if you really want to know. This isn't the place

I question how sincere your really want "help." The history is well documented. I'm sure others will chime in with some comments.

Short answer--it isn't me that made the decision...it is US Airways, with some recent legal nudging from a growing DFR suit against ALPA that has strong merit. Ask the Concerned Pilots of ALPA and their leadership. They are most familiar.

T8
 
ALPA has always touted their merger policy as a major benefit of being an ALPA carrier. Now, any unionized carrier basically has ALPA merger policy available to it. This marginalizes ALPA's usefullness, and is the reason why they are not going out of their way to advertise this new law.
 
ALPA has always touted their merger policy as a major benefit of being an ALPA carrier. Now, any unionized carrier basically has ALPA merger policy available to it. This marginalizes ALPA's usefullness, and is the reason why they are not going out of their way to advertise this new law.

Riiiight.

Its called taking advantage of your provider. Children and teenagers live this creed daily.

The 40 hour work week and two day weekends are union concepts that we all expect, and even that is eroding... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3072426/

There will always be some flavor of the month scheme to screw labor. Just because the problems of yesterday are solved doesn't mean the future is effortless.
 

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